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Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US

Heat pad & Lamp?

Originally Posted by Solvay1927
As I said, I still believe the wrapping of a pad on a bigger surface makes it so much more effective, but in the meantime you can experiment with these lamps you already have.

I’m thinking about getting the NIR heat pad you suggested earlier and using it in combination with an NIR Lamp. The NIR pads won’t reach my suspensory ligament when I’m hanging straight down, so I suspect having a NIR lamp aimed at my pubic region while hanging can help deform the areas the pad won’t reach.

I had my eyes set on this one in particular, what are your thoughts on it?
https://a.aliex … ss.com/_msoIEto

Can someone please put it plainly for those of us who do not understand the specifications of the correct NIR Pad?

What I’ve gathered so far is

We need a pad that does 660nm 850nm at preferably 150>w ??

Is this correct? I have gone through the entire thread and trying to keep up is definitely a headache for me and I’m sure many others.

Again it would be greatly appreciated

The specs of the product should have an irradiance of more than 150 mW/cm2, ideally 200mW/cm2.

Correction for an older post, It’s 150 mW/cm2 not W.

Originally Posted by Rio1997
Solvay 1927, do you recommends those cheap chinês NIR pads from ebay? Since the costly brands are the same but renomeado to cost 3 times more.
What do you think of this one
LED Near Infrared Red Light Therapy Belt Waist Leg arm Wrap Pad for Pain Relief | eBay

Oops, I see you’re Brazilian, so am I. You bought some 800MN pad. Used? Did you get results?
If you can send me the make/model/link.

Originally Posted by kopok
The specs of the product should have an irradiance of more than 150 mW/cm2, ideally 200mW/cm2.
Correction for an older post, It’s 150 mW/cm2 not W.

Is the irradiance something I need to calculate myself or would the store have this information on their store page? I’m mainly looking through aliexpress.

They should have that information themselves, some products don’t give you that information, I would pass on those. Some of the ones that do have it don’t call it irradiance, they might call it Power density or something else, just look for a number with mW/cm2.

Originally Posted by kopok
They should have that information themselves, some products don’t give you that information, I would pass on those. Some of the ones that do have it don’t call it irradiance, they might call it Power density or something else, just look for a number with mW/cm2.

Awesome, thank you

Originally Posted by da_dt

I’ve been using a NIR/red light pad wrapped around my cylinder and unlike Solvay, I have felt internal heating and nothing in the cylinder. I imagine we’d need to examine the materials of each to figure out the difference. Mine is a Pumptoys cylinder for reference.

Hey,

How about clamping with NIR pad? We should give this a try

Originally Posted by riceguy

Hey,

How about clamping with NIR pad? We should give this a try

As someone who has just started clamping, I would also like to know. Although I’m sure there’s many topics on that already?

Originally Posted by NewYellowBanana

As someone who has just started clamping, I would also like to know. Although I’m sure there’s many topics on that already?

I’ve been thinking using OP’s method for length, then add 2x5mins soft clamping twices a week to promote girth. Since clamping is just BFR, recent studies suggests 15 mins BFR training promote muscle growth, I asssume there is no difference when it comes to penis. Overdo clamping will not give the occulusion effect.

Originally Posted by BullBarrel
Not gonna lie, some of this is over my head. Here is my question. I recently purchased an IR sauna, it’s not one of the cheap Chinese made ones, but one designed and built in Sweden. Would it be a benefit to do my PE in the sauna at about 130 degrees?


Well yes, even the temperature itself should make tissues more susceptible to PE. That said, I wouldn’t do it, since PE requires time and it’s not healthy to spend too much of it in a sauna.

Originally Posted by nshaq
Do you have any information on how long does the upregulation of MMP-1 last ? I am trying to figure out if you could mix using NIR along with stretching with heat (FIR or US).
Lets say i want the downregulation of matrix metalloproteinase 1 (MMP-1) and the upregulation of type I procollagen from NIR, but i also want the heat from FIR or US for collagen remodeling, so upregulation of MMP-1.
1) Could this be performed within the same session, within an hour?
2) One session in the morning and another session in the evening?
3) Maybe perform the 3 consecutive day sessions with US heating, followed by couple of days extending with NIR ?


Human tissues are not integrated circuits, changes do not apply in seconds. IR radiation affects MMP-1 by altering production, absorption and circulation of chemical compounds of very different nature, so basically all effects happen on a scale of hours, if not days. If you want to use both IR and heat I wouldn’t do it in the same day.
Perhaps it could be a good starting point to use them alternatively - one day IR, the following heat, then IR and so on. Or, use a longer separation, as your third option suggested.

Originally Posted by riceguy
Eventually we have so many resources to support length gain. But not for girth gains. Is there anyway we can use NIR for girthing, boys? FIR or a water proof NIR to put inside the tube for pumping?


I think pumping with IR might help in getting more girth, but it’s just a personal guess.

Originally Posted by NewYellowBanana
I’m thinking about getting the NIR heat pad you suggested earlier and using it in combination with an NIR Lamp. The NIR pads won’t reach my suspensory ligament when I’m hanging straight down, so I suspect having a NIR lamp aimed at my pubic region while hanging can help deform the areas the pad won’t reach.

I had my eyes set on this one in particular, what are your thoughts on it?
https://a.aliex … ss.com/_msoIEto


Even if in the title it mentions 850nm, in the description it seems that it emits only red light (660nm).
However, assuming it emits in 850nm too, half of its energy goes to 660nm which won’t get any deeper than the outermost layer of your dermis.
I think this lamp is going to make your skin hot way before reaching a real irradiation of the ligament.

NIR light passes through the body and can reach muscles/joints. You don’t need to wrap a pad super close etc you can simply use one of the light panels that hang from a wall and the light will penetrate all the way through.

Originally Posted by da_dt

I’ve been using a NIR/red light pad wrapped around my cylinder and unlike Solvay, I have felt internal heating and nothing in the cylinder. I imagine we’d need to examine the materials of each to figure out the difference. Mine is a Pumptoys cylinder for reference.

I’ve perform an experiment today and I can guarantee it can reach inside the pump cylin. Basically I put a kitchen temp probe and wrap the NIR around. After 20mins, it says 40 degrees, when I touch the probe, I didn’t feel a thing.

Originally Posted by riceguy

I’ve perform an experiment today and I can guarantee it can reach inside the pump cylin. Basically I put a kitchen temp probe and wrap the NIR around. After 20mins, it says 40 degrees, when I touch the probe, I didn’t feel a thing.

In case I wasn’t clear, I am agreeing that the energy generated by these pads we’re discussing can penetrate cylinders, perhaps depending on composition. Solvay had mentioned giving up using a cylinder with NIR because only the cylinder heated and he felt the energy was being absorbed by such before reaching the penis within.

Originally Posted by da_dt

In case I wasn’t clear, I am agreeing that the energy generated by these pads we’re discussing can penetrate cylinders, perhaps depending on composition. Solvay had mentioned giving up using a cylinder with NIR because only the cylinder heated and he felt the energy was being absorbed by such before reaching the penis within.

As you can see in the pic, the probe was heated hp 40 degrees. Would it be the same with penis?

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