Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US

I’m gaining steadily, so the length gain in this first month definitely wasn’t EQ improvement, I’m actually growing. At first I made a lot of mistakes in my approach but I think I got the hang of it now, still not doing it perfectly, if I did I’d be gaining even faster. I’m not surprised there aren’t many others reporting good results, there’s a lot of things you have to get right for it to work.

Above all, the overdoing is something I noticed on myself.
If 15 minutes of NIR pad are helpful, 30 minutes will be better. If 30 work, then why not 60?
If wearing the extender one hour works, imagine what I could gain wearing it for 8 hours.

And yet, the more I try the more I come to understand that less is more. When I tried going above 30 minutes my gains slowed down, even if I still can’t measure if 15 is better than 30.
Recently I’ve been wearing the extender much less than I used to, no more than a couple hours 2 or 3 nights a week, and yet in the last weeks I noticed more gains than in the previous 2 months.
That’s why I came here asking for other users to experiment: we need a wealth of data to understand what really works and what doesn’t.

Can I ask what is your routine?

That’s amazing. You mentioned you had the best gains when you were extending for many hours and even wearing a sleeve afterwards, I was thinking maybe your gains slowed because a plateau is inevitable when you’re going that hard, especially after the massive amount of gains you had in 6 months. It would be interesting if you started growing like that again with a lighter approach.

My routine is 15 minutes of NIR, extend for around 3 hours (stress relaxation, not creep. Very light, keeping it below BPEL to avoid tissue strengthening response), try to do everyday but I get busy and it’s been mostly 5 days a week.

How much and what did you gain? Any measurements?

Okay so id like to make sure I have this 100% correct so i can report back here with my experience. So ive got a couple questions Id like you to answer

1. To do what you’re suggesting for faster growth, you’re saying the penis should not get warm? or is it ONLY when we go above 40/41 C degrees? (I understand we are gaining via collagen deformation at 40 C but id just like some clarification on the heat of the NIR light)

2. So does that mean I should be irradiating for 5 minutes on (highest power setting, 850nm only), then 5 minutes off to ensure we dont get above 40 C? Then repeat again until weve done a total max of 20 minutes?

3. How long do the increased metabolism and growth last after irradiation?

4. Say if we irradiate in the morning upon waking up, would we then be able to do it again at night before bed? Is that a sufficient time gap to ensure we get maximum growth effects at all times?

Thanks for your patience, I do appreciate it

Which NIR did you purchase?

I posted that picture of the measuring device on AliExpress. I did not intend to bring you under suspicion. I thought it was a picture taken by you and originally uploaded on this forum. I suspected the merchant on AliExpress to have taken advantage of this forum to market their product. No offense intended. I am grateful for your input. People like you keep this place alive!

As for it goes for questions number 1 and 2 it is highly unlikely to ever reach 40 C or more at tunica depth with these pads. discussed. The skin is another issue as it will get over heated that’s for sure with NIR alone

There is no evidence heat causing such a detrimental effect on hypothesized growth upregulating effect by NIR
If not exceeding 43C temperature. The NIR benefits , if ever reached at tunica are not nullified with 40 to 41 C temperature.

1. Unlike Kyrpa, I believe getting above 41C with NIR is possible, when you go beyond 30 minutes using 850nm.
As we discussed, 660nm will mostly heat your skin while 850nm get way deeper, a) but most pads emit twice the amount of energy in 850, and b) with a pad wrapped all around your penis NIR radiation is focused towards the center of it.
If you take the data by that scientific study I linked, measured using real human body parts, energy gets to “a depth of approximately 40 mm with an effective attenuation coefficient of 2.22/cm”. That would mean the attenuation due to radiation absorption is actually smaller than the increase due to radial concentration: theoretically the energy per unit of area (mW/cm2) getting to the center is stronger than the energy on the skin.

A ridiculous back of the envelope calculation - have mercy, I’m basically asleep - considering a penis 4cm wide (2cm radius) and that 2.22/cm energy attenuation coefficient, suggests the energy/area 1cm deep is ~90% of the energy/area at skin level, to become even more at 1.9cm deep, basically at the center of this strange perfectly cylindrical penis. Seems impossible? Basically the irradiated area gets smaller slightly faster than the energy gets attenuated, so the ratio energy/area stays almost the same.

That said, please don’t take this calculation seriously: I don’t want to start a discussion about the numbers, which are purely theoretical to point out that energy doesn’t get only attenuated, but it’s also concentrated by the radial exposure.
In the end I can say this: when I tried going over 30 minutes I got hot more than warm, and I noticed less gains. That’s just my own experience; I hope others can test it.

2. The suggested irradiation time with most NIR pads is 15 minutes. If you want to try NIR, I’d say to start from here: wrap the pad around your penis and use it for 15 minutes. You’ll get warm but not hot: that will trigger the metabolic effect on cells without exceeding the temperature threshold that nullifies the effect. After those 15 minutes you can keep extending, but you can switch off the pad and let the penis return to its normal temperature.
Later on, after some time with this routine if you want you can try increasing the irradiation time and see if that’s better or worse, never exceeding 30 minutes.

3. I’d say probably a full day, perhaps even more. So, if you want to use the pad again after 12 hours, you can, but it’s probably not going to change that much.

4. If you have another session of PE in the evening, wearing an extender or whatever your routine is, I’d say you don’t really need to wear the pad again. As I said, you can if you want to, but it’s not going to double the effect or anything.

So sorry for this basic question, But believe me I tried to search the threads as much as possible.

I use a hot shower or rice pack to heat up. Now that I have the pad NIR + RED, do you do both for warmup? Can you get away with just NIR + RED for warmup before Jelq and Uli routine?

After writing this, I think I already know the answer, but seeing what others have done. I believe everyone will say it is best to do both but if you just do NIR + RED because your wife is in the kitchen all day and can’t heat up your rice pack, you should be ok with NIR + RED. Correct or incorrect? Should we consider the NIR+ RED a substitute or an addition to the warmup?

If you want to try NIR, you DON’T need to warm up with something else before.
Warming too much could actually be detrimental, because infrared radiation later will raise the temperature further and it could get above 41C.

Just use NIR (to warm up inner tissues) with red light (to warm up skin) at the beginning of your routine.

This is what I have been following. I have seen greater expansion since I have been using heat and then light. I can gain a whole 1" girth and keep an erection. Yes it is a little spongy but nothing like a wet pump. Did 1.5 hrs last night in the dry pump heated first 10 minutes then the rest of the time on low level 2. Felt great! Took It off a few times edged and got hard went back in. Today I have a mild doughnut but no real discoloration except red. No purple at all and very even not lumpy. The IR helps with all this. Oh and I was horny and had a few night erections and even found a place to stick one this morning. It was a tight fit let me tell you! Thank for keeping us posted and updated on IR I do feel and see benefits and maybe even some small gains so far.

NIR will help with scars, stretch marks, or "battered penis syndrome" from PE.

Yes, this is true. I’ve only had my new pad about 6 weeks. Almost all of my discoloration has disappeared. Cock looks back to normal.

I’m also confident it’s going to help with gains. Got a 15 minute pump in last night with IR light pad. Expansion was better than ever.

Nice! Same here. Haven’t lost any size during decon but have removed nearly all of the discoloration. I’ll be starting a new pumping + NIR routine after thanksgiving and I’m excited to see the results as I think they’ll be excellent.