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Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US

So if I’m understanding this, I need some kind of NIR heating pad and this is used in conjunction with an extender, is that correct? There is no way to do this with a Bib hanger?


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Or a vac hanger (lost my edit window to add this).


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Originally Posted by AndyJ

The Bib hanger covers much of your shaft, and is probably opaque to the IR wavelengths we want. I’m not sure if it’s ABS or PVC; you might ask Bib on his forum.

I asked him years ago, I believe it is HDPE. But the point of your reply is received: Bib is not conducive to IR.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Originally Posted by AndyJ

Of course, you could do your Bib session as usual, then use an ADS for an additional 20 minutes with the NIR wrap.

Thanks! I have read Kyrpa’s threads and fail to find what he is using for the ultrasonic heat, but I may have found something. I’m trying to wrap my head around all of this, as his knowledge and gains seem incredible.


Serious starting point: Nov. 2, 2009/BPEL 5.75 x 4.75 inches.

Current BPEL 7 1/2 x 5.5 inches.

Goal: BPEL 8 x 6 inches. Hell, if I hit 8, I'm going for 9!

Actually there’s no need for the ADS, you can use the NIR pad before or after the hanger. I’m not sure of its effect, though: the hanger works by causing microinjuries (I think?), i don’t know how that combines with the tissue growth effect of IR.

Let me know how it goes!

Originally Posted by Vintage
Quick update, 2 weeks after starting with the NIR

Thanks for posting here.

In the last couple of months i received a few PM thanking me and reporting very good gains, in line with what I had, but i don’t understand why not posting those here.

Perhaps they will once they reach a given objective?

Originally Posted by Solvay1927
Actually there’s no need for the ADS, you can use the NIR pad before or after the hanger.

I’m a grower, and tend to view things through that lens. Without an ADS or a pump tube, there’s not much area for the IR pad to work on.

Originally Posted by AndyJ
I’m a grower, and tend to view things through that lens. Without an ADS or a pump tube, there’s not much area for the IR pad to work on.

Not even as a warming method for manual routines?

Originally Posted by Solvay1927
Actually there’s no need for the ADS, you can use the NIR pad before or after the hanger. I’m not sure of its effect, though: the hanger works by causing microinjuries (I think?), i don’t know how that combines with the tissue growth effect of IR.
Let me know how it goes!


All remains relative to the time and load. More importantly to the strain rate.
If hanger loads several kilos at once there night be damage which is referred as Micro traumas.
Micro traumas occurring because of the strain rate. If starting low and going increments to the target load with time, there will be less.
The idea of Micro traumas needed for tissue lengthening is false in the first place.
It has been adopted from the muscle building environment
Where the tissue grows stronger after such an incidents.
As far as it goes for lengthening procedures of any connective tissue as in case of tunica albuginea, such a concept would be counter productive.

There is only one concept of lengthening such a tissue no the matter what the actual workout is.
There has to be a threshold strain reached during the workout for triggering the growth process which then produce permanent results. .
Had not reached stimulus enough there will be no gains no matter what. Including NIR.

For certain level and Group of individuals the force applied can trigger the growth processes by itself.
But once adapted or for some at the start already the displacement during the workout becomes crucial.
The whole meaning for using therapeutic temperature with ultrasound is to allow greater strain with lesser Micro traumas other wise unavoidable with such a displacement.

These techniques combined could be very productive.
For the the Heating purposes I would’t recommend these pads.
For that US and FIR remain better and safer choices.

As OP suggest NIR pads should be used for supporting and maintaining the growth responses.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by joshua_m

What pad do you have?

What diameter is your cylinder?

EstherQueen Rot Licht Therapie Pad from aliexpress. Its for arms hands an has a hole for the thumb. ~50€

The cylinders are 2.00 to 2.25 I think. Covers it once around and a little too long. 13.1 "× 11" inches. Think the tube is 10 inches long.

Originally Posted by BDAgenda
EstherQueen Rot Licht Therapie Pad from aliexpress. Its for arms hands an has a hole for the thumb. ~50€
The cylinders are 2.00 to 2.25 I think. Covers it once around and a little too long. 13.1 "× 11" inches. Think the tube is 10 inches long.

I believe I found it in Aliexpress.

That pad is around 170 mW/cm2 at zero distance.

At 1 cm you can expect the power to be reduced to 10%

@JoshuaM
Its this one;
De.aliexpress.com/item/1005004174364985.html?

I can’t find a mW/cm2 statement anywhere. Please point to it if possible.
10% sounds like nothing. That would be disheartening but it feels like has a bigger impact than 10% getting targeted the whole shaft from all sides.

Originally Posted by BDAgenda
@JoshuaM
Its this one;
De.aliexpress.com/item/1005004174364985.html?

I can’t find a mW/cm2 statement anywhere. Please point to it if possible.
10% sounds like nothing. That would be disheartening but it feels like has a bigger impact than 10% getting targeted the whole shaft from all sides.

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