Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US

Are you ditching US? I think it’s interesting to try both NIR and US together, using NIR when when building up to 2kg for 15 mins (could serve as warmup too) and then doing 10 mins of US. Might do this if I can find a decent pad.

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Solvay, thank you for your contribution, a lot of great info you’ve shared. You said frequent irradiation may be counterproductive, so how frequently did you use NIR? Would every 3 days be in the zone of counterproductive/too frequent?

If i understand NIR correctly, then in the case of 130mW/cm2, you would just need longer exposure to NIR in order to achieve the same effect as with 200mW/cm2 ? Or would this also affect the penetration depth, making it suboptimal ?

I’m kind of confused, this exact picture you shared is from a sales page. Found it while I was looking for a pad, I’m not sure if you were claiming that it was you measuring it, but you responded to Kyrpa when he asked what you are using in that picture to measure it and you didn’t say it wasn’t you. Is this the pad you had customized?
https://www.ali express.us/item … 5414920933.html

Light dissipates as it moves away from source (diffusion). So I would think it probably will affect the depth to which is effective.

No it’s not, but thank you for notifying this. While it wasn’t me who made that photo, I took it from a folder where the company stores the certification of purchased products. To buy from our suppliers we have to go through a buyer team, which apart from paying and receiving the products should also certify them.

That pad you linked is one of the standard sizes: the one I asked for probably has the same leds and circuitry but a different size. The photo should be meant to certify this, not the standard one.

I know the measured power is right (within margin of reason) cause I tested it myself, but I’ll request (and post here if I can) another photo.

Light diffusion is not dissipation. Imagine a sphere around a star (a Dyson sphere): the inner surface of the sphere grows with the square of the radius, while the received light density decrease by the same rate. The effect is that such a sphere can absorb the entire energy emitted by the star regardless of the radius.
In light therapy, when the source is directly in touch with the surface the emitted energy can only go 100% inside. If you wrap the pad around a finger, an arm or a penis, the more distant it is from the surface, the more of its light will end up being absorbed by the pad itself. It’s just light: every led will illuminate everything in front of it, and that includes the opposite part of the pad’s inner surface.

In the end, no, 130mW/cm2 won’t affect the depth it can get. Just as a general idea, consider that NIR radiation at 850nm loses ~60% of its power for every cm of penetration, regardless of emission power at the source.

Cool, I bought the pad and will report back how it goes. Yeah the size is an issue but I’ll try to make it work. I really doubt there is any benefit to extending more than an hour so I won’t be doing your exact routine. Also, I know you might be thinking your gaining has slowed down just because of the recent changes to your routine, but you might need a decon, that is usually the case when you’ve been going at it for months.

Has anyone tried these lights wrapped around a cylinder during pumping?

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I have been using that technique for a month now maybe 5 or 6 times a total of 6 hrs. No noticed results as of yet.

Thanks. Guess I’ll just save the money and continue with the normal heat pad.

I will stop doing it since the cylinder gets way too hot, and what’s worse it happens also when using only 850nm. That means most of the NIR radiation gets absorbed in the cylinder and never reach inner tissues, it’s not just the 660nm red light.

Ok I don’t think 6 hours total would give much results anyway, but even less so if NIR gets lost in the cylinder.

I’m from China and I bought the NIR equipment that Solway mentioned, honestly this kind of equipment is cheap in China, a 13.3cm x 25cm mat costs about $14, I bought a 20cm x 40cm mat for About $22, if anyone is interested in this, I hope this data can provide some reference, and I don’t want everyone to spend more money.

Thank you very much for the new ideas provided by Solway. It is convenient to ask if you can provide some general clues in the aspect of "avoiding excessive use of NIR to affect revenue"?

My current plan is to wear the Penis Master and wind it with the NIR pad for more than half an hour, then take off the pad and continue wearing PM for a while, I will share my feelings after using it for a while, thanks again Solway.

This passage was converted from Chinese to English using Google Translate, because my English is not very good, if there is something difficult to understand, I can explain further, I am very sorry.
Finally, I attach a photo of the equipment manual I purchased. The actual equipment is exactly the same as the equipment linked in the previous part, so I can guess that the source of these equipment comes from an electronic technology company in ShenZhen, China, but the actual power on the manual is marked as greater than 100mW/cm². I Not sure why, maybe someone can share the manual for their device? Thank you so much

100mW/cm2 seems too low, why don’t you get something like this: https://www.ali express.us/item … 5414920933.html

Try to find ones that have more than 150 W/cm2, ideally 200mW/cm2, it’s not easy but you can find them, it is probably easier for you since you are in china where they’re all manufactured.

Hi Solvay,

Great thread, thanks for sharing your knowledge. Re the impact on testicles, I’d be very interested to know why you think that, as I’d read that using red light in that region could stimulate leydig cells, improve sperm quantity and improve testosterone. Few scientific papers though it seems except on rats, and only anecdotal data from guys reporting increased testosterone levels after using RLT.

Hi! Kopok
Thank you for your reply, I checked the link you shared, the 215mW/m² NIR mat is really suitable, but the price of 405 Hong Kong dollars is really too high, almost 320 RMB, 45 US dollars, I will re-purchase more suitable equipment, Thank you so much