Hanging with FIRe

He bought two. That one, and the one that looks like the number “8.” That is the larger one, which I interchange using with the smaller one right now, due to size. The rectangle is a weee bit larger, so depends on your shaft.

WM12

Total man replied saying “The wavelength is between 450 to 850nm.” When I searched on Google, 450nm is blue visible light so not quite sure if this is accurate. Regardless, far ir begins at 15k nm, so I think we can say total man is not FIR.

Okay, so it is just a regular heating pad (which was my hunch). Thanks for following up with that.

WM12

Damn thats too bad. Maybe I’ll just keep it then? It was on discount for a bit thanks to the Holiday Seasons so I didnt have to pay too much for it. Do we know what the wavelength is for the TherMedic one? For all we know it may not be a “true” FAR IR either but it still works apparently.

I think 850 is still Near Infrared.

Yah after looking at it again it is pretty simple. The only equations are the Strain and Cycle Growth. And the CM to Inches columns if those count as equations lol.

I asked. Will update with their response. Yeah, manko tested a thermedic one and got to good temp, but he used something to compress it against his shaft and wasn’t going through a sleeve. I was going to read that thread to see if he ever tested through a sleeve when I get time.

I decided to order the TherMedic one as well. It won’t arrive for some time but I’ll have both and I’ll try and compare the two. I also emailed TotalMan because I wanted to see if they had any more detailed information regarding their heat pad.

I really want these heat pads to both work for this method.

This is the response from thermedic. A little over my head, but sounds like it meets the FDA’s criteria for FIR.

I want to explain to you about far infrared, the wavelength of far infrared are between 5.6-1000 μm . As far as the human body is concerned, the wavelength is most obvious at 5-14μm.

In practice, the SGS S.A testing environment of far infrared is between 2-22μm, in degree 25°C to test the emissivity will over 0.8 or not. Our products have been tested by SGS S.A and the emissivity over 0.8, with an average of 0.9 above.

So, it will be more realistic and useful to understand its emissivity, and our products have reached the standard, even exceeded, and the medical products must be sent to the US FDA for inspection ,and it can be listed on Amazon. So you can rest assured to use our products.

Thanks for sharing.

They are claiming that a human body if affected with wavelengths between 5-14um. However, the true measure for FIR is looking at the emissivity of at least 0.8 at 25C, which according to their data, their product meets.

As a side note, the wavelength of the TM pad meets the wavelength. I doubt it was tested for emissivity.

Can you explain a bit more what you mean for the TM pad?

And that is good to hear about the TherMedic one.

I take back my comment about the TM maybe being okay. Their wavelength is 450 to 850nm. TherMedic states FIR is around 5-14um.

WM12

Hi WM12. Are you referring to the heat pad by TM? If so, 450 to 850 nm is unlikely the dominant spectral range as this range covers the visible spectrum - I.e. It would visibly glow or produce some form of light.

I had emailed TotalMan as well and they also told me their heating pad is 450 to 850 nm which is 0.45 to 0.85 µm (um = µm) and from my brief research near infrared starts at 0.75 µm while far infrared starts at anywhere from 3.0 to 15.0 µm but I’m seeing other numbers as well based on all the carts I’m looking at so more research is needed there. So the TM heating pad is capable of some NIR heat. Is that enough to use for the methods we are aiming for? I don’t know but I am leaning towards it not being since already ultrasound would be preferred to FIR let alone NIR.

Idk. Honestly the more I read about infrared, the more I get confused. Some say NIR penetrates better than FIR, but that might be a misunderstanding of what penetrates means. Penetrates as in, goes through, not absorbed and turned into heat. I read a therapeutic study about FIR and it says it heats up to a depth of 4cm, and another study I read on NIR said it “penetrates” up to 5mm, so a whole magnitude less. If you even try to find a NIR pad, you’ll only get results for pads advertising as FIR, not specifying, or NIR lights. I don’t know if anyone makes and advertises as a NIR pad. I think FIR is just better for therapeutic/penetrative heat, that’s why they all return as FIR when you search. That’s just me trying to make sense of it all. Anyway, the theramed pads were proven to reach temperature by manko, and 5.5 used it so I’m excited to get mine whenever that will be. Maybe it’s a good thing it’s on back order, force me to stick with my decon break haha.

I’m excited to get my Thermedic pad too.

I’m a little annoyed at myself for getting the non FIR, more expensive, and non returnable TotalMan one if its gonna be useless. Maybe if I don’t open it TotalMan will be open to taking it back.

The arrival date went from March 1st to January 17th for the TherMedic one according to Amazon so who knows whats going on there.

Conventional PE wisdom has been to reach and ride fatigue, aka a little bit of soreness. With this new BPFSL measurement focused approach, should we still use fatigue as signal for a good workout?