Igigi's quest for the foot long with UltraSound Therapy

This is indeed encouraging!

UPDATE

Patience paid off. Today I had a full therapy without interruptions, tissues behaved perfectly. Granted, this time tension was greatly decreased as well as time.

One thing I had discovered during these past few days. I have been constantly monitoring my existing BPFSL. During the process, having learned already thanks to Kyrpa and others the importance of stress relaxation, one thing that I do not do anymore and will never do again, is a hard fast pull of the penis. While pulling out slow, I realized a very interesting mechanic of the tissue.

When I pull out, the septum extends easily, until it reaches what it seems to be its previous BPFSL. It seems like all the new gain is somewhat “harder” to pull. But it is not. When I reach that point I pause, then slowly pulling again, and this time it feels like if the septum “gives away” And I can pull easily, slowly, those 2 extra centimeters.

So what I have been doing all these past few days, every day, multiple times a day, I slowly pull out and hold the stretch for at least some 30 seconds and release.

As a result, it has become even easier to do a full pull smooth and slow. It seems like that extra septum growth is adapting to the elasticity of the tissue. At the same time, my BPFSL is not 23.9cm anymore, is almost 24.1cm. So I gained that little extra elasticity by doing these constant stretched every day. Since is almost 24.1, I count as 24 even.

On today’s therapy, here is what I did different. First, to protect the tissues, second to see if there is still potential for results with these variables.

- Stress relaxation for 15 minutes from 0.5kg to 2kg. As always, with an IR lamp some 12-14 inches away for extra heat.
- US therapy for 25 total minutes. It takes some 7-10 minutes for the tissue to reach target temperature of 40+ celsius.
- Cool down of 20 minutes.

Pre BPFSL: 24cm
Post BPFSL: 24.6cm
Strain 2.4%

Now in the following days will be the interesting part. All these last few failed attempts dealing with the blister and other times with less than 1% strain, I have come back to my Pre BPFSL every time. So, since tissues are healed now, and protocol is readjusted, we will see if I can slowly start keeping more length progressively once again. If I can crawl up to 24.5cm and keep it steady for the next couple of weeks, I would consider it success.

I will have to determine soon at what point will be convenient to not apply US anymore and dedicate strictly to BPEL and EG.

Today’s therapy yielded no changes from the day before. I did not keep the previous strain either, therefore results are:

Pre BPFSL: 24cm
Post BPFSL: 24.6cm
Strain: 2.4%

I believe that in order to push for more results, it is imperative to create more tension. As mentioned yesterday, I kept it today once again at 2kg steady. But increasing tension increase also the risk of blisters. I will attempt these days to experiment with a different type of attachment.

I am curious to see if there is any gains left for now. You might be already at the verge of continuing being waste of time and risking future gains. If I was you I would be already working with BPEL enhancement.
There will be another round with BPFSL.

Thank you for the advise, I think that is what I will do. I have been entertaining that idea of filling this gap with BPEL and resume US in the near future. I was still undecided but your advise helps me make the decision.

In fact, I just measured BPEL yesterday which I forgot to post. As expected, I have pretty much gained nothing in BPEL. I believe that if I succeeded in increasing the BPFSL>BPEL gap, there will be some BPEL increase as collateral effect.

Yesterdays BPEL: 22.2cm (8.74”)

On the same topic, I believe this belongs to the same uncharted territory that we have discussed with other users about dimensions. In which for example, the tension applied, the US time applied, to a penis that is 12cm in BPFSL for example, might not have the same effect of the same parameters applied to a penis that is 23cm BPFSL.

In the same way, I believe that a penis that grows from 14cm BPFSL to 16cm BPFSL, will perhaps see some growth in BPEL as collateral effect. But the same BPFSL growth on a penis that is for example mine, from 22cm to 24cm, might not be enough of a gap to produce gains in BPEL.

This topic is very complex and the only way to take it down to science, statistics and mathematics will be having a significant universe of anecdotal experience in order to tabulate and quantify in mathematical formulas. But we dont have those experiences and so far a large section of people trying US do not follow any science. They just “throw some US in my hanging routine” which is useless.

I strongly recommend a couple things.

Firstly, when using IR heat lamp you should be shielding the glans so they do not heat up. This will dramatically reduce the chance for blister.

Second, when you get a blister, immediately cover it with neosporin and wrap the entire glans with a tight fitting silicon cap. If you don’t have one with your vac stretcher, they sell them as toe guards at Walmart. Keep the glans wrapped day and night for about 3 days. The combination of ointment and pressure will result in incredibly rapid healing and it will never scab. The glans is a mucus membrane and like others is prone to fast healing if kept moist. Silicon pressure wraps are repeatedly shown to improve the healing response of all types of skin wounds.

Very interesting thank you Tutt!
Will try it next time.

Thank you so much for your effort, your scientific approach, your sharing and honesty. I wish you all the best.

I have stopped gaining at some point years back and thank’s to your experiences and other’s I want to start this protocol, as well. I guess it is about my septum, too.

Before I go buy a US machine, considering the depth of warmth distribution, should I go for 1 Mhz or 3 Mhz? Would a 3 Mhz machine placed dorsally actually hit the septum as much as 1 Mhz placed ventrally? Do we have data on that as far as the septum is concerned?

Also I have 3 ideas:
Idea nr. 1: measure BPFSL after each session (cold stress relaxation with IR, US heat therapy and cool down). This way you know what the effect of each session is so you can change variables accordingly. That’s what Longstretch did and I found it very interesting.

Idea nr. 2: Why not heating up the tissue during phase 1 (cold stress relaxation) at least 10 min prior to going to US therapy session? This way you would start with 40 °C+ septum right away. Is there any scientific reason why this is not done or maybe I just missed that people already do that.

Idea nr. 3: In one of Longstretch’s posts I linked a study about tissue and expansion and so on and I remember the graphic. It basically suggested that at some point let go off all stress (tension), I think it was like after 15 min, and then start over again and repeat the process 3x. Each time you end up with a bigger max. Stretch. I haven’t seen this principle incoporated anywhere. Why is that?

Looking forward to hearing from you and good luck on your journey!

Hello my friend, thank you so much for your words. I am happy to share my experience so that way we can together continue to keep perfecting this therapy.

In regard to 1 or 3 MHZ, yes, there is comparison data gathered by Manko’s. He bought a 3mhz device and collected all the statistical analysis of temperature, time, etc. Basically, yes, the 3Mhz will heat the septum perfectly fine on the dorsal side, and 3mhz reach target temperature faster than 1mhz.

The only reason why I chose 1mhz, is because is way cheaper in cost, and also because Kyrpa scientifically proved successful results with 1mhz.

All your points are excellent. I thought about your idea #1 and #2. Now, why I did not try them myself? well, because my approach, at least to the first time trying US, was to replicate something already proven successful on the table. And that was Kyrpa’s protocol. So in order to contribute to science, I wanted to replicate the experiment and prove it correct in order to have that anecdotal experience. Also, even though I thought about #1, why I did not try it? because it takes some time to remove the vacuum cup and put it back. And in those 2-3 minutes lost, there is retraction of the tissues that in al honestly, I don’t know in which way it will impact the final result. It has been my common sense to have the penis constantly under tension rom the beginning of the session, all the way to the end.

As far as idea #2, I believe Manko was doing his sessions starting right away with US while doing the stress relaxation.

#3 sounds very interesting and attractive. This cycles are suggested inly under the US portion? or ny starting all over again it means starting cold again with stress relaxation?

I understand you about the replication of what has been proven to work.

I don’t think that experiment has been done under US. I can’t even remember if it was done under additional heat. Probably not.. It was just a tissue expansion study but the concept should be true for other conditions, too.

Got another one :)
Idea 4: Given the septum is the limiting factor, the bottleneck, then it would make send to focus the heat on that area more specifically. I was thinking 10 minutes of normal heating up with US until max. Temp is reached, then switch going up and down only without rotating the head of the US in order to focus the heat on the cord. However I guess it would make send to do normal heating in between to reheat the surrounding tissue once in a while, maybe every 3 minutes or so for 30 seconds. Just numbers spitting out. The main idea is to heat up the cord even more. I want to start the regimen myself but I don’t have the equipment, yet. Once I have it, I will experiment myself. Still going through some threads. Has the question been answered where to buy a reliable US machine in Europe, btw?

I’m seeing US PRO 2000 2nd edition on Amazon for $149.00 is there a cheaper price somewhere? Also would this device be good for treating muscular soreness?

I found it a little cheaper on ebay, like 123USD or something. I don’t know about treating muscular soreness. I would try to avoid that in the first place.

There are several vendors on eBay with almost the same price, but some are throwing in more of the gel than others, so you need to juggle price+shipping on that, too.

Many of the medical supply web sites list the 2000 at $150-ish, but shipping is high from some of them.