Igigi's quest for the foot long with UltraSound Therapy

The attachment has the study I was mentioning. On page 3 you see in chapter thermal factors how stress has been removed for a while and after it was reapplied the stretch got longer each time. Has that been talked about? I am still catching up on this topic as I have been away for many years and just discovered this new discovery. I am sorry if it has already been covered.

Interesting, The reason why I believed this has not been approached, is because, and this is my guess, the multiple sets of stretching would contradict the recommendations for UltraSound application. I am not sure about the application of US multiple times in a day, which in this case it would be multiple sets of course.

However, I was just thinking if maybe instead of doing one 15 minute session of US under tension, do 3 sets of 5 minutes at high temperature and high tension, After an initial stress relaxation of course.

This is indeed an interesting approach that I am willing to give it a try. I would love to get Kyrpa’s input on this.

As I am going through Kyrpas thread I came across a possible explanation. This principle was actually used by him. He would do it in the cool-down phase, using only his hands. He calls it cyclical stretches and it goes like this: 15 seconds build up into stretch, 15 seconds max tension, 15 seconds rest. Total time: 10 min

I still have a lot to read so I don’t know how this protocol has been evolving.

You mentioned that you struggled with heat and this is what Kyrpa found out regarding the gel used:

“Now that I have found better gel , I have much better heating sessions. I couldn´t believe the difference it made, as it was like night and day.
The gel I am using is PINO Ultraschall gel.”

Maybe it helps.

Yes, I remember that approach from Kyrpa with the manual stretches, however I was wondering based on the study you quoted, how would it be to perform multiple UltraSound sets at maximum tension for only 5 minutes each for example. Would the final strain after total combined sets be bigger than 1 long set?

Yes I also remember Kyrpa mentioning that gel, I believe is German. However, in my case the heating problem was resolved 100%, and the cause was found to be a sound wave interference between the 2 transducers when I was touching them with each other while heating. By keeping them as far as possible from each other, I resolved the problem.

I am curious, too! I would love to see if there is a difference. Only experimentation will tell but you might want to ask Kyrpa for advice before. Maybe he has a good point not to do it. Of course, it is up to you, then what to do with that information.

If you decide to try it, then it would make sense to measure BPFSL after each set for a good comparison.

Yes, I remember you saying that. I would still try that gel. Maybe it still makes a difference. I will give it a shot once I have received the machine. You want to optimize each element of the procedure, each process in order to get the best results, always evolving, always developing. There is always potential.

You are referring to a graph borrowed from LaBan study back in 1962.
They surely found the cyclic methods working with the heat. Heat amplifies the stress relaxation reached with cyclic stretching alone.
To be realistic about it you would need to look the graph closer and the graph 4 as well. The stress relaxation at 5 minutes is significantly less than at 15 minutes.
There is one major difference you haven´t taken in account , the pre-conditioning stress relaxation before the heated stretch. In LaBan case they start to stretch and simultaneously heat non-elongated sample.
Anyways we shouldn´t prolong the the whole exercise length excessively. Now when you are composing your own protocol I would suggest you to compromise some degree as well. One continuous stretch shouldn´t be more than 30 minutes not to promote apoptosis to happen. So we we need to divide the workout in pieces. For me it was 30 minutes stress relaxation , short setup change to 20 minutes heat + 10 minutes cooldown with cyclic manual stretching to manipulate and stress relaxation the tissue to contemporary maximum length.

I have great interests trying it, and surely encourage people to explore the thing as you described.
I choose a compromise of different things in my protocol. One long set instead of multiple short sets was taken because the heating for the whole shaft takes the time. Now with the multiple transducer setup I am more willing to go for the LaBan scenario.

Any indication of how long of a break is needed between pieces? Seconds? Minutes?

Yes that is the idea. To do the usual pre-conditioning stress relaxation as usual, then instead of doing one continuous 15-20 minutes of UltraSound, do 3-4 sets of 5 minutes each. Perhaps as the cited study suggests, the final strain would be bigger compared to the single set of 15-20 minutes.

Now the question I have, and perhaps this would be a matter of trial and error, how much to wait between each set. In order to diminish the big temperature fluctuation between sets, I am thinking about applying the IR lamp at close range in order to keep some temperature up and maybe also the heating pad (I have an electric heating pad)

As far as the time between sets, I am sure with the combined literature we have already here, we can determine the most appropriate timing for the tissue to retract, relax, and then stress it slowly again.

You are probably looking for maximum of 1 mm difference on elongation maybe less. LaBan had 15min interval both stretch and rest.
If you like to replicate it you are going with 5min to 5min.

Very good. They removed the stress then reapplied it some time later for an even greater elongation under heat.

I will attempt to give this a try tomorrow Tuesday.

Anybody has any recommendation for a good pumping system??

Not really the tube itself, but the coupler/seal system in the tip of the tube.

It is frustrating when nothing works. About that last experiment with the US, I was unable to do it. I did the first set of 5 minutes, then rest for 5 minutes, and when I start the second set my vacuum cup slips off. I stopped right there and I will go now to my BPEL routine. But as I start it today, my tube was sucking air through the coupler that connects the tube with the hose. I detected that problem before, but it seems that now with time that seal is worst than before which prompts me to be pumping air out every 5 seconds to keep the vacuum. Its a disgrace.

If anybody has any recommendation of a system that works flawlessly I would really appreciate it.