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Reflections and Progress: thoughtfulgold

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Something I’ve learned in my latest forced deconditioning/rest/break/recovery from injury time is when you think about your goals you can’t be guilty.

One defining aspect about my time here on Thunders place is that many people struggle to gain and that those people (more than others) see me as a role model or their only hope to get bigger. I don’t like shouldering that responsibility. But I cannot change how people see me, not when they read my gains first, my name second and almost never the rest of my signature. It has gotten to a point where I’m considering removing my size from my signature all together. I don’t like being treated as a living legend and being regarded in such a way. When people are so bereft of hope while just starting their PE career it makes it difficult for me to progress on my own PE Journey.

I haven’t directly listed goals and my own progress report but seldom because so many people are always asking me “what am I up to?”, “what are my secrets?” and “how did you start PE?” even though that is the first page in this log. It is so difficult to say “I have goals that are further than you can contemplate because you haven’t had any progress to know what you’re capable of in the PE Realm.”

And so I never say that. Ever. How could I? I can’t even be honest because a sizable amount of people aren’t able to see past themselves and their own despair with PE, adequacy issues and depression that they are looking to PE to fix. The fact is since I’ve mastered PE to a certain point I don’t have any limits on my goals and the sky’s the only thing stopping me. What I desire is my only limiting factor. Almost 9 years ago I set goals that I believed were too high to ever reach and now this year I believe that they are reachable within two years from now.

I want to reach 10” BPEL. And if I could reach 9”+NBP then that would be even better.

If my theory on how to even out my curve works as planned then my girth will also change drastically to a point much closer to 7” with comparatively minimal effort considering the things that I have tried in the last 3 years that I’ve netted me very little as far as mid-shaft gains. In the last 18 months my net mid-shaft gains have been 1/8” to land me right at 6” solidly. I have been up as high as 6.375” but I have returned to 6” so many time that I have to mark it as my mid-shaft girth for now. Ultimately want to reach 7-7.5” MSEG and 8” BEG.

All of these are goals I set back early 2010 when I imagined that I could actually choose to be bigger after I get started in August of 2009. I had seen some small gains in those 4-5 months, which were all good cuz I was only in my extender regiment to fix the curve, and at the beginning of 2010 I then had ideas floating on the slimmest margin of hope possible. A glimmer of a dream that was still so foreign that when I picked up dildos in local sex shops I was still awkward and guilty feeling for desiring the dimensions that I would hold in my hand for my own.

There was a purple Pearl shine dildo and used to have a big 9 in emblazoned on the top right corner of the packaging if I recall correctly. I remember the dildo was long, thick and incredibly intimidating. About a year ago I encountered it again and it was still longer than I was due to the battery compartment but the girth was no longer intimidating. I was thicker than it was. I could tell this at a glance and at first my only conclusion was the dildo had shrunk, they didn’t sell it the same way. But my perspective had changed so gradually over 8 years that I just couldn’t understand what I used to see and what I used to be afraid of. The Pearl shine dildos are famous for being the same exact thing that they always are and all of them are smaller than they used to be in my eyes. That is not a coincidence or a conspiracy. That is a perspective change.

My perspective has changed so much that I have become the PE veteran but I have always wished would have guided me. The guy with the gains, history and stories who I wish could have shown me the way. I wanted to become this guy so that I could show others the way. It is why I’m active here and why I try to share my journey as completely as possible.

However, the backside of this is that I can’t feel completely unencumbered to seek my own goals when I am constantly giving advice and consoling others about their sizes, goals, traumas and trying to keep them motivated to start PE to begin with. You can’t tell people that start at 5.5x5.25” about your goals to reach past 9x6” in good conscience. All many guys here see in me is legendary pornstar status. So I tend to silently contemplate my own goals and contemplating public the mentality to reach them and the end game that comes with it. But I seldom speak on the numbers themselves. I don’t want to alienate anyone. I remember the intimidation I used to feel when I would read about The Big Bib gainers or the PE gym guys and part of it was why I wasn’t active in the community for so many years after I left the X4 forum. I don’t want to make myself less approachable or make it to where people don’t know how to deal with me because I have a long history and PE and very large goals and an incredible level experience so that I can seek them. I begin to surmise that this feeling of guilt is likely why most people beyond 8.5x6” are no longer active anymore.

I don’t want that to happen to me. I still have knowledge to share and people to help. But I have my own PE journey to complete as well. I have goals that I have earned the right to chase and I should have peace of mind to talk about them. The rules are unwritten almost, regarding people who have reach certain sizes and the conduct that they must have to be polite to others who haven’t or will not or cannot reach those sizes. I don’t want that to change, I don’t want this place to turn into a cesspool like MOS or LPSG. Etiquette is a wonderful thing.

But there isn’t any other place where I can talk about my desire to reach 10x7.6” without totally derailing the thread and question. And it just makes it harder for me to admit that I have these goals even in my own personal log because that is part of the atmosphere of this place. I know how large those goals are. I understand the ramifications. I have given it years of thought and almost hidden from those goals, scared they could hurt me.

I own the goals now. I can also admit that having a penis 5x the volume of average would make me happier than I care to emphaize. That it is a goal I have secretly nursed since junior high, before I knew PE was possible when i was being tormented by bullies about my size (or lack thereof). The flaccid size such an erection would come with would doubtless meet my 7.5”+ flaccid length criteria. So that I hang flaccid longer and thicker than most large men present when erect.

All things I never mention. That would sound like teasing and disparaging remarks at best. It would literally be troll level if I spoke on it anywhere else in the forum but here in my log. There is no section in the Forum Guidelines about how larger members ought to act or any direct penalty listed other than disparaging remarks and vitriolic behavior at other members or the forum will not be tolerated.

Thusly, sometimes the brotherly atmosphere is oppressive to people who have reached a certain size. Titleist doesn’t post as much anymore, I can name probably 6 more who posted when I first started who have stopped. We don’t want things to be awkward or intimidating because we want to help. Almost all of us do, aside from trolls who show up to post a few pics then ask to get rated or the guys who just came here for tips who don’t want to be a part of the community.

I know anyone posting 7.5x5.5”+ in visible sight gets messages asking how to do PE, what is the secret, and many are badly syntaxed Google translate messages from men both desperate and insistent. That it drives people off the forum. I stay, at least for now, because I have a mission while I’m here. But, it gets difficult to say the least.

I suppose it is all part of the mantle that is inherent and having the gains that I have had. A mantle built on me trying to offer all of it is that I know to the community that confers upon me respect but also a duty of a certain sort of conduct and tolerance. I accept that.

Sometimes I would just like to be human, not a living legend, too.

First time reading this one TG, super insightful.

I can’t yet appreciate the struggle, but can see how it could happen.

I imagine it may be like someone who becomes a “celebrity” to others, when at some point, they were one of them.

That all said, I’d love to hear your goals, to understand what you’re going for. If you set a goal of 10 x 7.25 and hit it, it would set a new stage of goals.

Like you, I tend to be consumed by things. Having started roughly where you and Titleist did, I set my growth goals on what you’ve achieved. Achieve more and my goals will increase.

More importantly, it’s how you try to go about achieving your goals that inspires me, and I think many others, on this site.

You’re cutting edge. You’ve been there, you’ve done that. You achieved girth, length, the whole package.

To see you still working, still pushing, shows that you only get what you put in and inspires others.

Best of luck on your goals, I look forward to reading about you achieving them!

Originally Posted by Robert James
First time reading this one TG, super insightful.

I can’t yet appreciate the struggle, but can see how it could happen.

I imagine it may be like someone who becomes a “celebrity” to others, when at some point, they were one of them.

That all said, I’d love to hear your goals, to understand what you’re going for. If you set a goal of 10 x 7.25 and hit it, it would set a new stage of goals.

Like you, I tend to be consumed by things. Having started roughly where you and Titleist did, I set my growth goals on what you’ve achieved. Achieve more and my goals will increase.

More importantly, it’s how you try to go about achieving your goals that inspires me, and I think many others, on this site.

You’re cutting edge. You’ve been there, you’ve done that. You achieved girth, length, the whole package.

To see you still working, still pushing, shows that you only get what you put in and inspires others.

Best of luck on your goals, I look forward to reading about you achieving them!

I’m surprised you actually responded to that entry. I appreciate the support.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Creeping up to cementing 6.375" MSEG

I’ll be honest and say that while the PRP shot is why I am doing this Advanced pumping regimen it is not the deciding factor in what is going on now. The conflation of pumping vs. PRP as far as gains are concerned is disingenuous. My original gains rate while doing high pressure pumping basically was what I’m seeing now only at one-third of the rate.

Which the reason that it is at one-third the rate is because I was pumping at one-third the volume that I am now. The high volume of pumping that I am doing aggressively and high pressure will cause me to gain. That is mathematics. A certain amount of time under load safely will cause tissue deformation. The key is how much time and how much load. That’s penis enlargement in a nutshell.

*The only notable argument for PRP here is that my speed of recovery is up and allows me to increase my pumping volume per day to some extent. The true amount of this is not known. It’s an unquantifiable factor but worthy of note and mention.

I’ve up my volume two twice a day between 10 and 20 minutes per session again. And now I’m seeing 6.375” mseg more and more often. After my temp games fade I will see it all day. My weaker erections are coming in at 6.25” when the originally I could only make that mark at the high marker with a rock hard erection.

So, yes I can mark 6.375” at the high mark of MSEG pretty much any time even after resting a day or two. But I won’t be doing official measuring for another 2 weeks at the soonest. And hopefully I’ll have 6.5” MSEG as my high marker by then.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.


Last edited by thoughtfulgold : 04-15-2019 at . Reason: *note

Sounds like you are surely sneaking up on a new MSEG. I’m looking forward to seeing you lock this in TG.


Once upon a time (2015): 6.40” x 4.50”

Today: 7.25” x 5.00”, Thunder Cocks Unite!

I think we can...Little Engine’s Climb

Originally Posted by LittleEngine
Sounds like you are surely sneaking up on a new MSEG. I’m looking forward to seeing you lock this in TG.

You know what the hardest part about this is?

How ridiculous my volume is and how persnickety I have to be about time gaps to make sure I’m not flirting with a blister. I’ve gotten swift, sharp pain in the glans at the highest point in the cylinder that can only be a blister in 60 seconds. And it’s agonizing but…I have been running right at the limit of my endurance to keep this going. If I were seeing someone I wouldn’t be able to keep going like this.

I finally cracked the code for more girth. But damn it all if it isnt still inconvenient!

Thank you for the well wishes LE.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
You know what the hardest part about this is?

How ridiculous my volume is and how persnickety I have to be about time gaps to make sure I’m not flirting with a blister. I’ve gotten swift, sharp pain in the glans at the highest point in the cylinder that can only be a blister in 60 seconds. And it’s agonizing but…I have been running right at the limit of my endurance to keep this going. If I were seeing someone I wouldn’t be able to keep going like this.

I finally cracked the code for more girth. But damn it all if it isnt still inconvenient!

Thank you for the well wishes LE.

Be careful TG, but push those limits, your experience allows you to do so.

My wife’s expectations for regular performance is a true limit to the boundaries that I can push, probably a good thing for me.


Once upon a time (2015): 6.40” x 4.50”

Today: 7.25” x 5.00”, Thunder Cocks Unite!

I think we can...Little Engine’s Climb

Originally Posted by LittleEngine
Be careful TG, but push those limits, your experience allows you to do so.

If I get a blister it’ll be documented. But I think I have my maximum daily load allotted for now. Slipping it between shifts of overtime is all I can do.

Originally Posted by LittleEngine
My wife’s expectations for regular performance is a true limit to the boundaries that I can push, probably a good thing for me.

Well in your place having all the sex you could want and someone who loves giving it, I could maybe not have gained the complex that started PE so you’re at a good place I assure you lol.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

The Path of dynamic PE

I am only 4 months from my 10 year anniversary in PE. In this huge span of time I’ve tried every type of routine I’ve ever read about with select exception. And, if I read through my logs…I’ve tried a lot more things that no one has done in combination and I have become that dude out there on the fringe, running sessions long, hard and high intensity.

I am okay with that, honestly. I know what I’m doing. And, even if I don’t, I know who’s penis this is and who pays the price. That guy is okay with this so…I’ll keep at the goal for now.

My most recent attempt at curve correction has led me to what I believe is The Curve Correction Solution and it is a hard running, awkward protocol but in only a couple of sessions seems to be bearing fruit already. It has supplanted my full package pumping (which was off to a good start this time but because of the time required is something I’m loathe to do if I have anything else I can do towards my primary goals) and because it takes less time and needs multiple sessions…back to running the PE gamut 7 days a week days off every couple weeks.

I’m happy with my progress thus far. I’m still not sold on gains from the PRP shot but I am sold on increased recovery time and perhaps resilience. I’ve been holding high pressures for up to 45 seconds at a time or greater, which I’ve never been capable of before. It’s NOT comfortable but it isn’t so blindingly painful that I simply cannot do it. So there’s something to this shot that I can’t put my finger on. I’m not sold on $1600 of value but…anything to make this more efficient for a 10 year PE veteran who wants to get out of the game is good.

My view is different than many and I’m putting in much more work than the average patient who receives a PRP shot. So it’s not a typical case and it isn’t something that I can compare to anyone else to make a recommendation on. I’ll continue to evaluate the value of the PRP shot for myself but currently still at a negative as far as money spent and value gained as far as any practical cost to benefit for the typical end users.

This is the path of dynamic PE. And I’m coming upon my evaluation of the coolsculpting experiment too. It seems to have shaved off some pube mound at pretty much zero cost and effort. I like the result and it cost me a water bladder and some ice trays so I’m happy enough.

Really, my goalsl seem to be coming together. I’m finally making headway on my curve and girth goals. Length has fallen by the wayside and my next official measurement at the end of this month or beginning of the next one will probably have me at 8.75” BPEL with 7.75” NBPEL length BUT probably at 6.5” MSEG so I will gladly trade 1/4” of length for 1/4”+ of girth. I mean if I had to start back from 8.25” BPEL with 7”MSEG I would gladly do it. So, I’ll let it be.

However, looking at my gaining forecast…that isn’t likely at all. My losses in length are likely to bottom out at around 8.5” BPEL and my curve and girth should equalize around 6.8” MSEG and this may take a few more months to bear out to completion but should bear out exactly as predicted. I’ve been hitting nearly 100% accurate on my forecasts for myself for the last 6 months so…as long as I stay the course it should work in my favor. The course DOES include a second PRP shot as its effect, while unknown, is likely very positive and I’m willing to pay it at this point if my goals simply keep at the rate they’re going. That second PRP shot is likely a target for August. I will keep the journal updated on if and when I do it but…so far, the ship is on course and on schedule.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Bachelordom- The path of the smoldering trail

It has gotten to a point what I have talked to so many women, seen so many naked and screwed enough women that I can’t keep their names straight. I can barely remember what year was when I was interacting with them or what the main topics of conversation were. The level of socialization that is so similar from person to person is at a point where people aren’t even truly individuals in my mind. The Untold cost of being a bachelor and never connecting is losing the ability to maintain a strong connection.

I think when I first started dating that I feared this happening but never imagined it would because I was as simple and monogamous and romantic has any young boy starts out in the world. After what happened and how I reacted I became the exact person that I feared years later. OkCupid the dating app has a dating Persona test that used to field on the app and on the website. I originally scored the slow dancer. Then I scored several other things depending on how I was feeling mentally that day, I seldom scored the same thing twice in a row. But I always thought that the vapor trail result was the scariest. The concept of just going from bed to bed night after night was something so chilly I can’t even remember imagining a reality I could be that person.

Now, I drive around town seeing streets women live on that I’ve banged, places I’ve done first dates, names and faces blurring unbidden. Even as I type this, I have two women who could have kept me company the last two days I could have called but the insatiable needs for more and new drives me forward and away from familiar and comfortable because the search for perfection never ends.

I don’t know when I became this guy. I don’t see a transformation chamber to reverse it. All I know is I’m saddened because now, romance and physical love are divorced in my mind like I never thought they could be. And it has benefits that do not fully counter the negatives.

It has nothing to do with the size of my penis. But the mentality of never stopping and continuing has netted me less compassion and connection than I ever imagined.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

“But the mentality of never stopping and continuing”

You think that won’t fade or get crowded out?

Originally Posted by Buckfever
“But the mentality of never stopping and continuing”

You think that won’t fade or get crowded out?

Tempered and sharpened steel does dull. But you use it and keep it sharp. I’m different than I was before. I’ll never stop if I so chose but I see no reason to is the bigger issue.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Tempered and sharpened steel does dull. But you use it and keep it sharp. I’m different than I was before. I’ll never stop if I so chose but I see no reason to is the bigger issue.

You don’t really a need reason.

Originally Posted by Buckfever
You don’t really a need reason.

I am unsure what you expect to “fade” or “get crowded out”. What are you referring to?


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
I am unsure what you expect to “fade” or “get crowded out”. What are you referring to?

I think when we endeavor and persist to overcome something significant to us, it is natural to remain there. It’s probably a good idea from a validity standpoint and also just baking there brings more distinctions. And this can go on for a long time but at some point the utility of that posture typically fades and a glimpse of other things crowds out the posture. It’s not that it’s discarded so much as it has become indelible and with that certainty its influence can be allowed to be reduced.

And I agree with you that you can’t let it go anytime soon, but there’s already stuff at the periphery that it’s causing that you don’t like. But those things they can’t be considered now and rightly so. It’s too soon.

Originally Posted by Buckfever
I think when we endeavor and persist to overcome something significant to us, it is natural to remain there. It’s probably a good idea from a validity standpoint and also just baking there brings more distinctions. And this can go on for a long time but at some point the utility of that posture typically fades and a glimpse of other things crowds out the posture. It’s not that it’s discarded so much as it has become indelible and with that certainty its influence can be allowed to be reduced.

And I agree with you that you can’t let it go anytime soon, but there’s already stuff at the periphery that it’s causing that you don’t like. But those things they can’t be considered now and rightly so. It’s too soon.

In my original post, regarding frustration, I spoke on the mindset of how I’ve changed in regards to interacting with women. Reading your responses they seem as though they address me as though my original post is frustration with PE not personal interactions.

I am still confused as you didn’t provide clarity on what was supposed to fade or change in importance when I asked for more specifics.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

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