PE4F High Pressure Pumping: thoughtfulgold

So implementing the last two cycles I may cap off at 10-12Hg? Or there may be value in keeping the 17Hg in the first 2 cycles?

Sounds like a mixture of both.

This routine mirrors Round 28. I went back to using 17.5HG in the first two macro cycles. Then, lowering the pressure to 12-14HG after the 11 minute mark.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 110 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used[ Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with Tunica Tenderizer. This was around 11-15 minutes, every 30 seconds to a minute I would press and massage the left side of my erect penis against the white and spiny side of the tenderizer for 15 seconds. I did this 10 times for 20 seconds at a time, with 5 contact surfaces.

3. Lube penis and entry of tube, as long as my forefinger in depth, with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 90 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 10HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds.

5. For 60 seconds (1 minute) cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17.5HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were about 2 seconds.

6. For 30 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 17.5HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second. (20 seconds of downtime deciding what pressure to use next)

New!7. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 17.5HG, (3 holes covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 10HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then creeping up to 17.5Hg for a second or 2 by cycle end.

8. In the 6th minute, after performing another cycle, 60 seconds out of tube, massaging with a milking motion gently and reapplying vaseline. This lasts till the 7th minute.

New!9. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 17.5HG, (3 holes covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 10HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then creeping up to 17.5Hg for a second or 2 by cycle end.

10. In the 10th minute, did a rest and massage up to minute 10 much like in step 8.

11. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

12. in the 14th minute, did a rest and massage like in step 10 and step 8. Resumed pressure at 14th minute.

13. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

14. At minute 18 performed a rest and massage like in steps 8, 10, and 12. Resumed at 19th minute.

15. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

Total time is 22 minutes.

Other notes

1. Packing is definitely in the 4-5 minute range with the higher HG 4 minute cycling at the beginning of the routine.

2. Euphoria sensitivity and, the return of epic flaccid hang. Flaccid lengths are NOT typical. 6.25”NBP and 7.5”BP
Flaccid girth 6.1” Mid shaft. Erect Girth topped 6.41” before going down to 6.37” BPEL is 9.25” and not at 100% with fluctuations up to 9.5” BPEL! I took these in front of my heating lamp, as I’ve been more prone to with heating issues…I think this matters.

3. Still no perceivable edema at cycle end. However, some minor edema must be present due to flaccid measurement of 6.1” MSG

4. Pump generates smoke regardless of oil status, but is not thick enough to set off smoke alarm. Use of fan hasn’t made smoke go away but fan is kind of crappy. May purchase a newer one before assuming smoke cannot be fixed.

5. I think the return of the higher HG in the beginning also created a better sense of stretching towards the end of the workout. I could feel it more and it was still in the lower range I like to use. Additionally, the fluctuation upward in BPEL is a PI I haven’t seen. I’m quite excited about this.

6. Do not take your penis to full vacuum at the end of your workout. I have found this is likely the source of negative PIs. There is no purpose in it and it doesn’t help. Skip that entirely.

Yeah you will really need to go by feel. There’s no right amount of force, you have to use enough to get the effect of the hard stretch then keep reducing the force in the later stages of the session. Also, if you have been training everyday than you will need less force than if train after a couple days off.

Re the pump and smoking oil; you could try replacing the oil with some clean automotive engine oil. That has a very high smoke temperature so it should not smoke up at pump temps. Maybe the mineral oil you got with the pump is some cheap Chinese crap? Or did you use something like baby oil, which is not suitable for heat?

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Same stuff that came with it, it appears also. Listed in my parts list.

I guess some zero weight oil could work but…would it affect the movement of the motor?

It’s probably oil misting rather than smoke, apparently common on these machines when there is a lot of airflow through the system. Possibly indicative of a leaky seal somewhere in the system. The oil for these pumps acts as both the motor lubricant and a filter for whatever is coming through the pump. So if there’s a leaky seal somewhere, it’s getting 1.5 CFM of air going through the oil, and the oil mists into the exhaust.

You could jimmy rig some kind of exhaust trap to keep it from spreading all around your room, or a hose directing it out a window.

I can’t be sure if it’s just mist or smoke. Before changing the oil and moving it, I got a fair amount of smoke alarms and had to take it off the wall for the duration of the workout.

I’m not super concerned as currently the mist/smoke isn’t setting off the detector nor does it really smell. It’s just dumb.

One way to test would be to pull a full vacuum on something, and let it run for several minutes (there would be no airflow). If it still mists / smokes with no airflow after several minutes, then it’s smoke. If not, then it’s mist.

I am reasonably sure it does both. It just cuz the pump ends up damp with oil. I wipe it every few sessions and know the cap is on tight. The minor oil loss doesn’t affect the level at all. But the machine is always oily.

Running it under load, even for a few seconds at a time, seemed to get it to smoke faster though. Full vacuum for a few minutes would probably draw smoke as in my prior routines I probably only got to about 1 minute maybe 2 of cumulative full vacuum time in a session and the detector would go off.

The killing part is this detector may set off on mist as well as smoke. It’s a newer model and familiar enough with sensors to know that smile isn’t the only thing that can set these detectors off.

All of that said, what are your thoughts on Romeo’s idea of motor oil? Looking at the viscosity of this I would go with 0 weight, thinnest possible. Do you think different oil would lengthen or shorten the lifespan of this machine?

I lack true understanding here other than seeing valid arguments for both sides. It could easily help but the surfaces inside the machine may not be designed for the kind of sludge petroleum based oils create. I’m still concerned that the thinnest motor oil could gum it up, as they can get gummy.

Your thoughts?

Short of actually testing it, I also don’t know for sure if a heavier oil would also aerosolize. My understanding is that it wouldn’t fix it though, and it would shorten the life of the machine, and it wouldn’t pull a vacuum as well.

I found a couple relevant articles here:

Oil for Vacuum Pumps
Vacuum Pump Oil: The "Circulatory System" of the Vacuum Furnace

So it sounds like vacuum pump oil is chosen for its low vapor pressure, and refined to have an even lower vapor pressure. Motor oil may have a higher vapor pressure and mist even more, and would pull a vacuum less effectively as the rotor vanes depend on the oil not boiling to get a seal. If it does vaporize, it might not effectively lubricate the rotor vanes, which would then shorten the life of the pump. It would also contain additives (primarily detergents) that may not be good for this motor versus a combustion engine, and may also be bad for you to breathing in from the mist.

Apparently 3GS compressor oil, or other mineral oils are the best substitute in a pinch.

Labs and factories that use vacuum pumps use an exhaust filtration / mist elimination device if they can’t have the mist accumulating.

For what it’s worth, neither of my pumps ever misted, so it could be something faulty on your unit. But at least it is still working, my Robinair died on me after a few months due to overheating.

If it were me, I’d either use the pump somewhere I don’t mind getting misted by oil, jimmy-rig some sort of cheapo home-made filter, attach a hose to the exhaust that went out the window or into a cardboard box or something enclosed that still had partial airflow, or just eventually invest in a better pump.

I’m not terribly worried. I simply wanted to talk about it as it’s the equipment I listed and a few users have cobbled "my system" together so…may as well talk about what i notiw versus what they will find out.

I was afraid the oil composition would damage surfaces inside of the pump. Eating the seals would kill it dead so…the oil that came with it and what I bought seems to be the same. I’ll cope until I have an equipment failure. Airflow is better and oil is fresh. That should do for now.

Thanks for the info BeardedDragon, my suggestion of an auto engine oil is probably not a good idea. Sorry for that.

One thing that’s worth testing is the pump temperature. At least that might answer the question if it is overheating and smoke point temperature or if it is just the oil vaporising. TG said the fan didn’t help much, but maybe you could try a damp rag or something on the pump (just as a test) to really get it’s temperature down and see if the smoking stops.

The other thing is the oil supplied might not be the real oil it is supposed to be. That’s (unfortunately) common with stuff from China/Asia there’s a lot of nasty cheap counterfeit materials and consumables. :(

It’s an interesting point that both of BD’s pumps didn’t mist. I don’t remember any mist problems either using a vac pump in the workshop, but that only running about 5 minutes at a time. Setting off smoke detectors doesn’t sound right to me.

Hi TG,

I’ve been following with interest. Is it too early to see any results?

Cheers

SB

I just covered that the other day here in a 30 session recap: The first 30 session recap of TG’s PE4F Experiment

Down to the “Fourth” paragraph, I talk about it. But I talk about the method as I see it on the whole in the post, which may be of interest also.

This routine mirrors Round 30. Except I did a 120 warm up not 90 seconds. It cost me one cycle in the beginning which doesn’t worry me.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 110 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used[ Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with Tunica Tenderizer. This was around 11-15 minutes, every 30 seconds to a minute I would press and massage the left side of my erect penis against the white and spiny side of the tenderizer for 15 seconds. I did this 10 times for 20 seconds at a time, with 5 contact surfaces.

3. Lube penis and entry of tube, as long as my forefinger in depth, with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

New!4. For first 120 seconds (2 minutes), cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 10HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds.

5. For 60 seconds (1 minute) cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17.5HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were about 2 seconds.

6. For 30 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 17.5HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second. (20 seconds of downtime deciding what pressure to use next)

New!7. For 150 seconds (2 minutes and 30 seconds) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 17.5HG, (3 holes covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 10HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then creeping up to 17.5Hg for a second or 2 by cycle end.

8. In the 6th minute, after performing another cycle, 60 seconds out of tube, massaging with a milking motion gently and reapplying vaseline. This lasts till the 7th minute.

9. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 17.5HG, (3 holes covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 10HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then creeping up to 17.5Hg for a second or 2 by cycle end.

10. In the 10th minute, did a rest and massage up to minute 10 much like in step 8.

11. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

12. in the 14th minute, did a rest and massage like in step 10 and step 8. Resumed pressure at 14th minute.

13. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

14. At minute 18 performed a rest and massage like in steps 8, 10, and 12. Resumed at 19th minute.

15. For 180 seconds (3 minutes) cycling between 10HG (2 hole covered) and up to 13.5HG, vascilating between 12-14HG (2 holes covered, partial 3rd covered) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 8HG and creeps up, getting to 13-14HG by 10 seconds in, then going back and forth between 12-14HG until cycle end.

Total time is 22 minutes.

Other notes

1. Hard packing is below 12 minutes now, as opposed to 13 minutes.

2. Euphoria sensitivity made an orgasm and impossible post session measurements.

3. Still no perceivable edema at cycle end. Heavy feeling of penis post workout usually correlates to low edema also.

4. The pump doesn’t set off the smoke detector. Though it does make the room have a white haze. It’s not an acrid smoke so I’m unworried.

5. I took special care to reheat in front of the heating lamp while using Vaseline to prepare for the cylinder. I believe this gap in heat from manual massage and edge time to tube time is pivotal and needs to be eliminated.

6. Heating pad performance is spotty. Hotter in spots. I think it’s going out.

My pump smokes too, but I think it is more mist than smoke. Not too much at the beginning, but after the pump warms up, it seems more noticeable.