PE4F High Pressure Pumping: thoughtfulgold

Ernie, if you haven’t already, make sure the oil level in the sight glass is at the halfway mark. If it’s over that mark, the pump will spit micro droplets of oil from its exhaust during use.

Once the tube is packed it does become vac hanging an incredible amount of weight. It should have a lot of potential for length gains, provided one has a well fitted tube, and that one avoids blisters on the glans.

After taking most of last week off, I’m back at it. Minor changes are that edging and massaging time are combined under heating lamp.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 40 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used. Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with my finger tips. I am mostly erect and poking and mildly massaging and squeezing my fully erect left Cavernous Cavernosum for this. There is a way to pinch and isolate the entire ‘tubular chamber and squeeze it while it is varying levels of erect. This was what I was doing, squeezing the base and top of it to force some blood towards the middle that I want to emphasize. This was around 11-15 minutes, mostly at the end of the workout.

3. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 8HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds.

5. For 120 seconds cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were just under 1 second.

6. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second.

7. For 150 seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered) Up cycles were 4 seconds, down cycles were 1 second.

8. For 150 seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered) Up cycles were 8 seconds and down cycles were 2 seconds. I changed the cycling rate because I stopped milking the tube away from my body for length purposes and to give my hand a rest from fighting with the vacuum.

9. Repeat step 7.

10. Repeat step 8.

Total time 15 minutes

Other notes

1. Around 5 minutes it started to feel good. I got the prepack I’m used to seeing and started the low pressure at that point, as noted above. It’s usually a 5 minute trend to see tube start packing.

2. Euphoric feeling, great post hang. Pattern here has held true. Flaccid was 6NBP and 7.125” BP lengths and 6.1” Mid shaft flaccid. And 6.45” MSEG at 85% erection ( just can’t get 100% after a session.) Edema was minimal. The feeling and look, the weight…all incredible feelings. Seen here:
Post session Flaccid: PE4F Round 18

3. No pain felt. Left hand cramped from squeezing heating pad and trying to continually milk tube so often.

4. I felt no discomfort at the 10 minute mark so I ran it out to 15 minutes. I noted some mild post session vein firmness below the glans but it faded with erection and ejaculation (unintended, trying for post session measurements) Future sessions are likely to be 8-10 minutes but perhaps twice daily. 15 minutes, while it feels great, feels like it would be too tough twice a day at this point. I will either 15 minutes for a single session or 8-10 minute for 2 sessions. Unsure yet.

*5. I think hitting the 12-14HG range I will alternate my time at longer durations not milking the tube and shorter ones milking it. This gives my hand a rest and opportunity for some length gain when I’m letting the tube rest on my pubic bone.

*6. Post session Xsleeve worn. Soft Large sleeve, 9oz weight. Intended time 5-8 hours. Worn-2 hours.
Starting NBPL extended is 6.25” Ending is barely above that.

TG asked me the same thing. The oil level is at the halfway point, and it still spits bits of oil out of the top cap. Eventually, it forms a pool of oil, and that dribbles down the side of the pump. Strangely, this have been going on for some time, yet the oil level in the little glass window doesn’t change. You and TG like pumping this way, and I do too.

This is a short entry on my means of dialing in PE4F pumping thus far. Basically, I wanted to isolate factors that could assist in the generation of temporary and permanent expansion of the penis as a result of extremely high pressure or up to full vacuum pumping. That was the goal.

The goal is made out of some basic requirements, which must be seen first:

1. Significant post pump size as a Physiological Indicator
2. Distinct lack of pain and discomfort post workout.
3. Lasting size (for me, it was girth) increase through the day as a PI after all traces of Edema fades. I define “lasting size” as measurable above your normal girth 5 hours or greater from time of workout completion.
4. Limited presence of Edema, if any

After creating the basic requirements post session, during the session I wanted to create an actually productive time in the tube that I could see and would ultimately bear out a goal I had in mind.
Bear in mind if you miss any of the things in the first list, nothing in this second list will matter.

1. Packing the tube completely on all sides
2. See greater glans expansion in length and girth.
3. Less discomfort during the workout/predictable discomfort patterns that you control
4. See greater length in the tube from before (Not complete yet.)

The 5 objectives above create a scenario that anyone using this pumping system can use to grade themselves on overall effectiveness with the usage of the system. I have unconsciously used those PIs and that tube behavior to basically hone and change my routine into what it is now. Epitomized here: Round 18: High heat combination
This routine was calibrated by me for me, your mileage may vary and your conditioning will as well.

Ultimately, running it like this or some semblance thereof, should create permanent change in my MSEG, rectify my curve even further or eliminate it completely and generate more length over time. The current routine offers me enough work that I do not need to add anything to reach the objectives I have listed.

If I do too little work I am missing:

1. Significant post pump size.
2. Lasting size throughout the day.
3. I will not pack the tube completely on all sides.

If I do too much work I end up with:

1. Too much edema.
2. Discomfort during the workout beyond what is reasonable
3. Lowered Erection Quality beyond the acceptable 85% post pump
4. No lasting size throughout the day.
5. Lasting discomfort throughout the day (has not happened personally but it can and would signify significant injury.)

This is literally the checklist I use to change my routine up, down and around. No huge secret. It’s about understanding the behavior of your penis under vacuum. If you do not set goals and standards you will settle for “A good time pumping” and that won’t make you bigger. It may be interesting and fun but it is not likely productive.

That, is how I dialed in PE4F Extremely high pressure pumping.

I like your routine changes a lot, TG. That cycling from 5Hg up to approx 14Hg will give a very effective tunica loosening and still has plenty of pull force. Also it allows you to use more minutes than the very high force (>18 Hg), and minutes are good because there’s always a time component where the flesh takes time under stretch for it to stretch out, and I think you’re now getting into that zone with enough minutes to produce lasting results.

Regarding that point you said about letting the tube rest on your pubic bone to produce length gain; the physics of the length pull force remain the same whether you are holding thentube with your hand or resting it on the pubic bone. The pull force applied to the end of the penis (when packed) is based on tube area (sq inches) times vacuum (pounds force per sq inch; PSI). So it does not matter how the tube is supported, provided the vacuum remains the same the length pull force on the penis (from glans to roots) remains the same. I know that you know this, but your post might have confused people so I brought it up. :)

I didn’t see you log the time to pack the tube? That’s a really good indicator to have in your records, and if training with high regularity and same force, minutes etc every time, it’s a fantastic indicator of real girth gain.

It’s great to see you with more minutes now! And if you bump up that training frequency your gains will go nuts. Just keep reducing the force applied as your flesh gets softer and more compliant. :)

Packing starts at approx 5 minutes. May move up as natural size increases. It’s why I cut force down and my indicator of when to do so.

I started playing from 5HG only because it appeared to get the entire routine moving faster. Working to press as hard as possible because full vacuum is available is tempting but ultimately counterintuitive. The PIs follow working from 5HG, regardless of pressure needed for application at the time.

I can see frequency increasing gains. I may net 6.3 or 6.4” MSEG if I can do most of 30 consecutive days.

Some who use this pumping style believe that the tube resting on pubic bone places higher load on susoensory ligaments. I didn’t see a flaw in that when i said it but will continue to do so simply due to hand fatigue. I ain’t a machine.

It requires attention to calibrate and mastery of the penis to understand. I manage. With any luck I should see a large curve and girth change for good in 60 days marked from now.

This is a straight duplicate of round 18 above. Uses heat during entire workout. Even same edging time, slightly more edema above the MS just under the glans around that circumcision scar.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 40 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used. Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with my finger tips. I am mostly erect and poking and mildly massaging and squeezing my fully erect left Cavernous Cavernosum for this. There is a way to pinch and isolate the entire ‘tubular chamber and squeeze it while it is varying levels of erect. This was what I was doing, squeezing the base and top of it to force some blood towards the middle that I want to emphasize. This was around 11-15 minutes, mostly at the end of the workout.

3. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 9.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds. Important note: Grime and oil, probably residual vaseline has built up in the 1/16th inch holes and it has raised pressure for the first two holes from a normal 7.5HG to 9.5HG on 2 holes covered. This fluctuates but is minor, changing my previous note from last session.

5. For 120 seconds cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were just under 1 second.

6. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second.

7. For 150 seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered) Up cycles were 4 seconds, down cycles were 1 second.

8. For 150 seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered) Up cycles were 8 seconds and down cycles were 2 seconds. I changed the cycling rate because I stopped milking the tube away from my body for length purposes and to give my hand a rest from fighting with the vacuum.

9. Repeat step 7.

10. Repeat step 8.

Total time 15 minutes

Other notes

1. Around 5 minutes it started to feel good. I got the prepack I’m used to seeing and started the low pressure at that point, as noted above. It’s usually a 5 minute trend to see tube start packing.

2. Around 7 minutes base felt newly tight or snug or pressured. It felt newly inflated and measured at 7.8” BEG post workout or 20cm on the dot.

3. Euphoric feeling, great post hang. Pattern here has held true, yet again. Flaccid was 6.25” NBP and 7.375” BPF lengths and 6.22” Mid shaft flaccid. 9” BPEL with 6.49” MSEG and 6.29” girth below glans/circumcision scar at 85% erection ( just can’t get 100% after a session.) Edema was minimal, aside from area under glans which is thinner than the rest of the shaft. The feeling and look, the weight…all incredible feelings. Seen here: Post session Erect: PE4F Round 19

4. No pain felt. Left hand cramped from squeezing heating pad and trying to continually milk tube so often. Actually, super sensitive post workout, took a lot to not orgasm.

5. Post workout measurements for an identical workout yesterday are higher. Literally, progress being made. I suspect my girth plateau will be long gone by the end of April.

*6. Blood seen in tube, on bottom side orientation towards opening. Left bottom side of shaft in middle region has very minor abrasion. No discomfort. About the side of a shaving nick or so.

Be careful and aware of risks!

Sorry to hear about the skin tear TG. :(
I can offer a couple of tips for that;
1. Lube the tube walls with vaseline before starting, as well as your penis. Something like a (clean) “stick” works fine and you can put a thin layer of vaseline all the way up the tube for the 8” or so where your shaft skin and glans coronal ridge contacts the walls. I don’t lube higher than that because it obstructs vision of max pumped length at the glans tip.

2. Now you are getting a good tube pack early, the style of fast vacuum cycling discussed at the start of this thread is no longer optimal. That fast cycling over a few seconds (I described as like “breathing”) is ideal to get the girth softened and stretched out to get a tube pack, but is problematic once packed snug because it puts a lot of repeat pull force on the frenulum and skin along the bottom of the shaft. There’s risk of frenulum tears and skin tears (yeah I’ve had both).

Once snug packed (where the skin is not just touching the wall but pressed against the wall) the best cycling rate is to allow a longer stretch period like 5 seconds down at 5Hg, then 15 seconds at high vac. Even better to ramp up to the high vac over say 10 secs then holding it for 5 secs. That longer time and ramp up allows the skin to stretch out more slowly and gently, gives time for the skin to settle and reduce stiction forces, and greatly reduces chance of skin injury in the snug tube. It also is better for length gains because of the sustained period at stretch allows a longer pumped length at the end of each cycle.

(note ErnieBanks has it tuned right in his routine, a 20 second cycle.) Since you are manually controlling the vacuum an analogue clock with second hand helps to make it easy.

Summary of the 2 styles;
GIRTH VAC CYCLING; Faster vacuum cycles, maybe 8 to 10 seconds, low vac and high vac, with high arousal (erection). This gives max loosening of the girth limiting tunica. This is good for your first 5 minutes etc, then once the tube pack is feeling snug;

LENGTH VAC CYCLING; Slower vacuum cycling maybe 20 seconds (or 30) with low vac deflate, ramp up to high vac, then high vac for approx 5 secs. No arousal, all that will do is jam the tube walls and increase skin injury. For more hardcore length stretch and max length gains, and max curvature straightening, 30 seconds is better with maybe the last 15 at high vac BUT of course needs an expert eye on tuning the “max” vac low enough to avoid injury. With your equipment that might mean partial hole covering etc.

Turn on both the timer and stopwatch on my phone. Stopwatch on screen automatically keeps phone unlocked and makes easy glance over. Timer is an audible reminder of my hard time limit.

I was wondering if shorter duration or longer durations up were optimum. I was going to you with longer ones and work up to 10-15 second up cycles. But, your suggestion on durations and pressures gives me an idea of what I want to try next. Length would be awesome and with tube packed whatever girth I net is fine. Curve Correction seems to be happening already so if I can break 9.5” before leaving this tube that would be great.

Is 60 days in this tube a likely timeline before it is not as useful anymore, provided I work out 4 days a week or more?

I think you can easily get 60 days. And more if you choose to make some tweaks if/when needed. Going low-arousal and longer stretch seconds when pumping will get you some more time in thst tube, because the physics tend to stretch length, not girth.

Then in a month if you start to get jam issues you can add some breaks. Every 5 mins or so, come out of the tube and do a 2-4 minute edging or semi hard jelq, etc, which will remove edema fluid from the skin and donut area. That reduces immediate girth and then the tube is not too tight. Get that dialed in and you can pretty much use that tube indefinitely, you will just get length, straightness and some maturity features after that, but little to no girth changes.

I wouldn’t worry about outgrowing the tube just yet. I think you are just getting to the sweet spot to now get some months of the exact results you want. :)

Most of yesterday I noticed just a little bit of failures to get all the way erect. It was imperceptible to the naked eye but both BPEL and MSEG were lower than they should be at full erection. 9x6” again. Not 9.25x6.18”

No post pump gains persisted into yesterday, basically a few hours after the work out they were all gone.

All of this combined with a mild stinging sensation persisting for around 20 minutes after masturbation to orgasm, in the urethra, leads me to believe there was an injury to the urethra and that’s some tenderness still exists.

This puts me on cool down from pumping for 6 more days. Pick it back up around April 4th or after.

Wow what a terrific thread. I am a newbie to pumping but have gained almost .75” in just over 4 months. My dream length had been 8” when i started at just over 6” however 2” length seemed far fetched. Now with great info and threads like this i do believe i will eventually get theresome day. Thanks for doing this.

There is no reason you cannot achieve your goals. You just need to put the time and effort in and keep the faith.

I am glad you appreciate my thread.

This is an abbreviated routine to test length pumping duration and my own endurance after injury. Tube was thoroughly cleaned. Several changes below. Also, during the session, the pump put out enough white smoke (very thin but still smoke) to set off my smoke detector a few feet away. Will be changing the oil before round 21.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 40 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp not used (forgot). Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with Tunica Tenderizer pictured below. This was around 11-15 minutes, every 30 seconds to a minute I would press and massage the left side of my erect penis against the white and spiny side of the tenderizer for 15 seconds. I did this probably 10-12 times and with 5 contact surfaces compared to my usual 2 or 3 and greater force and smaller surface area I feel there was good massage used.

3. Lube penis and entry of tube, as long as my forefinger in depth, with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 9.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds. Important note: Grime and oil, probably residual vaseline has built up in the 1/16th inch holes and it has raised pressure for the first two holes from a normal 7.5HG to 9.5HG on 2 holes covered. This fluctuates but is minor, changing my previous note from last session.

5. For 120 seconds cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were just under 1 second.

6. For 160 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second. (20 seconds of downtime deciding what pressure to use next)

7. For 240 seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and up to 25HG (almost totally covering all holes.) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 12-14HG and creeps up, getting to 17HG by 10 seconds in, 5 seconds at 17HG and 5 seconds at 20-25HG Using feel for the decision.

Total time 10 minutes

Other notes

1. Because I mistakenly omitted the IR lamp, packing did not occur on time at the 5minute mark.

2. Around 7 minutes base felt newly tight or snug or pressured. Additionally at the 7 minute mark was when the pack started AND I could feel the heat from the heating pad all throughout my penis.

3. Euphoric feeling, great post hang. Pattern here has held true, yet again. Flaccid was 6.25” NBP and 7.375” BPF lengths and 6.22” Mid shaft flaccid. 9.3” BPEL with 6.49” MSEG and 6.29” girth below glans/circumcision scar at close to 100% erection today. During and post session glans inflation was record breaking. Less edema than ever also. More length due to the longer length pumping. Also, super sensitive post session and orgasmed entirely out of nowhere nearly with minimal stimulation.

3b. I’m impressed with post stats as I’ve been off a few days and been smaller erect than normal so I think the addition of the tenderizer is a good thing. More heat and a little more time and I’ll be back on track.

4. Going to attempt a 15 minute session tomorrow if my EQ holds up from daily orgasms using the longer pump cycles.

5. Also, holding pressure at 25HG for 5 seconds gets vaseline bubbles out of my urethra during the pumping session. No blood, no sensitivity, just bubbles.

6. Pictured below is half of an unfinished “Tiger Trap” and I believe, using it the way that I am, that it would be called a “Tunica Tenderizer” as that device uses the same compression concept only manual instead of mechanical screw force. You’ll be seeing it included as my massage here in teh future. Shown in action here: Tenderizer in action: Round 20 PE4F massage device

7. Industrial Pump, while running for 10 minutes, did set off smoke detector. Unsure if this is related to the longer sessions under load or just me not having changed the oil since I’ve been running it. Will change oil before next session.

Ok that tunica tenderizer is a foreign concept to me. What exactly are you doing with that? Just rubbing that up and down your penis? Also at what point would you think someone is ready to try this style of pumping? I am currently pumping every other day for 35-40 minutes at 6hg and cycle every 5 minutes or so to 10+hg. I say 10+ because for some reason after 10 the gauges doesnt continue to climb although i feel the pressure rising. Congrats on the new personal bests it seems a 10x6.5+ may some day be a real thing.