PE4F High Pressure Pumping: thoughtfulgold

It won’t take long to get that tube fully packed. As you increase minutes you’ll get more temporary expansion and with increased frequency you will be holding more of that expansion as you start the following session. And your tissues will soften up further giving faster easier expansion, and of course there will be real gains thrown in there as well. Anyway I’m sure you know all that. :)

Packing the bottom part of the tube is a given, especially with your large girth in that mid size tube. The important stat will be the time to pack the midshaft and endshaft, which will give you the best indicator (in my opinion) of being in “the zone” where the forces after that will give you the length stretch and straightening effects. Getting that pack quickly is also a great indicator of your tissues being properly softened up etc.

Anyway I’ll shut up for a while because i’ve been posting here almost as much as you! Sorry for that.

Do not be sorry. I’ve taken much of your advice into consideration and it gives readers of this method a secondary opinion and something of value to observe our discourse. There is not another thread on this site (at the time I wrote this post) with more information on PE4F style pumping as even its creator did not post exhaustively like I tend to and like you also have in response.

I saw some length gains here recently, which I can tie to easing back on milking the tube. I’m very happy with this method thus far. 9.25 BPEL true.

Your advice about tube pack is noted, I will see how well I can implement it.

After an extra day off and noting my new length size, I’m debating 1 day on, 2 days off again. Thinking as I hit the pressures harder I can relax my days and let the tissues heal bigger.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around an hour. More like 35 minutes, in this case. Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with my finger tips. I am mostly erect and poking and mildly massaging and squeezing my fully erect left Cavernous Cavernosum for this. Did some flaccid massaging as well. Also included some mostly erect bends pressing into the Left CC as I pushed it outwards. This was around 27 minutes

3. While massaging tissue, warmed tube wrapped in heating pad for 24 minutes. 2” tube as usual here.

4. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Did not use heating pad during session, wished to observe expansion patterns fully.

5. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just under 5HG (0 holes covered) and 7.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2 seconds, down was around 2 seconds.

6. For 60 seconds cycling between just under 7.5HG (2 holes covered) and just over 16HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 2-3 seconds. Down times were 3 seconds.

7. For 60 seconds cycled between 15HG (3 holes covered) and 7.5HG (2 holes covered). Up times were up to 3-4 seconds. Down times were 2-3 seconds. During the up cycle, I would sometimes cover all holes for full vacuum of a fraction of a second (this will reach the 20HG mark before I release it), then uncover them to 3, then to 2 so pressure wouldn’t drop below 7.5HG.

8. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 7.5HG using 1 second for full, 2 seconds for 15HG and 3 or 4 seconds for 7.5HG.

9. For 100 seconds cycling between full vacuum 1.5 seconds (to roughly 24-25Hg before release), 15HG 3 seconds, down time 3-5 seconds at 7.5HG.

10. 80 seconds of high pressure pulses. 25Hg for 1.5 seconds, 15HG for 3 seconds, 25HG for 1 second and down to 7.5HG for 5 seconds. Various iterations of this, to get high pressure instances that cause fuller expansion.

Other notes

1. Step 7 is about where it started feeling good. I incorporate times with all holes covered based on feel. Euphoric feeling, great post hang.

2. Glans started to hard pack in tube. Shaft packed nearly to 5”. At around 90-120 seconds the tube packs to the 4” mark reliably.

3. At 8 minutes I felt right at the proper level of fatigue and dodging edema. More, I feel would be too much right now. Ramping up time or pressure is going to have to wait.

4. I milked the tube on down cycles and at least 3 or 4 times in a 60 second span for circulation purposes.

5. Going to start at 1 day on, 2 days off.

6. Post pump 6”NBP flaccid, 7”BP flaccid, 6.25” MSEG flaccid. 6.31” MSEG erect (some had faded) and just over 9.25” BPEL (85% erection quality though)

7. Wore thinner base size Horseshoe ring to sleep. No other sleeve or ring used.

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1. Edge for around an hour. More like 95 minutes, in this case. Extensive edging done.

2. While erect, I performed a few erect bends and that was it.

3. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. No heating pad used, observing penis in tube is priority here.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just under 5HG (0 holes covered) and 7.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2 seconds, down was around 2 seconds.

5. For 60 seconds cycling between just under 5Hg (0 holes covered) and just over 16HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 2 seconds. Down times were 2 seconds.

6. For 60 seconds cycled between 15HG (3 holes covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered). Up times were up to 3-4 seconds. Down times were 2-3 seconds. Also alternating from 15-20HG at half second intervals.

7. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 5HG using 1 seconds for 20HG (1 seconds to reach then release at 20HG) and 3 seconds at 7.5Hg (2 holes covered.)

8. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum 1.5 seconds (to roughly 24-25Hg before release), 15HG 3 seconds, down time at roughly 2 seconds at 7.5HG.

9. 30 seconds of high pressure pulses. 25Hg for 1.5 seconds, 15HG for 3 seconds, 25HG for 1 second and down to 7.5HG for 5 seconds. Various iterations of this, to get high pressure instances that cause fuller expansion. During this span several 10 second breaks of 5HG were used by feel. Total time 8:30.

Other notes

1. Euphoric feeling, phenomenal post hang, Significant edema experienced. This is likely due to no massaging prior.

2. Glans did not pack as hard as expected.

3. Post pump 6”NBP flaccid, 7”BP flaccid, 6.25” MSG flaccid. Edema is to blame for flaccid girth. Erect MSEG is 6.31” and BPEL is 9.25” but at 85% EQ.

4. Industrial ring is great for edging and seems to add some similar to clamping pressures. May be useful for sex even without the bottom clip to close it

5. I find myself cycling by feel and looks as a session stretched on to experiment. This is harder to document.

Sounds like you are getting used to full vacuum now. :)

So you’re finding it good at 1 day on, 2 days off? That’s quite alien to me as I have always took more of a higher-frequency training approach, more like sports stretching. I’m really curious to see how that 1 on 2 off routine pays off in gains.

Can you describe your post training day indicators? Any soreness, shrinkage, toughening up on the 2nd or 3rd day? And what about EQ and skin health? I expect that with regular 20 inHg exposure you are probably getting dry skin, and maybe some darkening etc?

The combination of my genetics and how I like to train has led me to be a less-is-more kind of person more often than not. Also, because I expect to gain, I gain faster simply because of my mindset.

I have been describing my post indicators pretty well. No dry skin, no darkening. Erection quality has remained high and frequent, sometimes more frequent afterwards. There is sometimes what I consider shrinkage but it’s simply is me at my normal flaccid size instead of showing post jumping games and that goes away pretty quickly.

To be quite honest I think that most of the symptoms that you described as post-training physiological indicators are related to the frequency that you use the pumping system. Because I am both prudent and less is more I don’t think I’m going to experience those things because I’m going to work my duration up very slowly and I’m probably not going to increase my frequency up past one day on and one day off. A prime example is how I am pretty sure 8 minutes is more than adequate for me for now. I doubt I will up duration at all for at least a week or two.

Also I think that because I use coconut oil for all of my warm-up and edging that I’m probably not going to get dry skin. I will start making that note in all of my entries and go back to add that so that people understand. I’m glad that you mentioned it.

Hopefully this explains my experience a little bit more in detail for you. Your questions make sense but they don’t really apply to me at least at this point.

Thanks for the lengthy reply, I understand a bit better now.

If you can get consistent reliable gains from <10 mins pumping every 3rd day that would be an important breakthrough. I would love to be able to train at that frequency and still get the same reliable gains that come from a higher frequency routine. Sincerely, I’m rooting for you and really hope this pays off.

I may step the frequency up but my EQ, ease of erection and activity level keep me from going too hard. Daily use for me would likely lead to edema. It’s how I feel, with my previous low pressure experiences also showing that kind of pattern. So I’m unlikely to do daily or twice at least for a long time.

This session features a thombossed vein concern, which is imperceptible on camera but is a small hard spot near the base of my cock, like where a blood vessel touches the surface. I would say it has something to do with edging with my Horse shoe on.

1. Edge for around an hour. More like 50 minutes, in this case. For most of it I used my horseshoe at the base of my penis. Additionally, I’ve edged two other times today for around an hour but those sessions are several hours away from this pumping set.

2. While erect, I performed a few erect bends and some massaging. I took only around 11 minutes with this, taking breaks so I didn’t cramp my fingers.

3. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Remove heating pad, pumped with tube uncovered.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just under 5HG (0 holes covered) and 7.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2 seconds, down was around 2 seconds.

5. For 60 seconds cycling between just under 5Hg (0 holes covered) and just over 16HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 2 seconds. Down times were 2 seconds.

6. For 60 seconds cycled between 15HG (3 holes covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered). Up times were up to 3-4 seconds. Down times were 2-3 seconds. Also alternating from 15-20HG at half second intervals.

7. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 5HG using 1.5 seconds for 25HG (1.5 seconds to reach then release at 25HG) and 3 seconds at 5Hg (0 holes covered. During the 5th minute I started milking the tube hard, away from the body when using higher vacuums. I observed much more of the tube becoming packed.

8. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum 1.5 seconds (to roughly 24-25Hg before release), 15HG 3-4 seconds, down time at roughly 2 seconds at 7.5HG. More emphasis was placed on the 15-17Hg and some full vacuum pulses were omitted.

9. 180 seconds of high pressure pulses. 25Hg for 1.5 seconds, 15HG for 4 seconds, 25HG for 1 second and down to 7.5HG for 5 seconds. Various iterations of this, to get high pressure instances that cause fuller expansion. During this span several 10 second breaks of 5HG were used by feel. Total time 9:30.

Other notes

1. Euphoric feeling, phenomenal post hang, no edema to speak of comparatively.

2. Tube reached fully packed when milking the tube away from body at 5 minute mark. This is an important note. Even after I eased up on milking the tube the new level of expansion would be reached when higher levels of vacuum were actuated. First Time Full Tube Packed!

3. Post pump 6.25”NBP flaccid, 725”BP flaccid, 6” MSEG flaccid. No erect post pump measurements as orgasm occurred trying to reach full erection. Note from the session before this is that 6” flaccid MSEG is smaller despite better expansion because I think the prior session was more edema related than I would have liked. This one was very efficient.

4. Industrial ring is great for edging BUT appears to be causing me additional risks to my veins as it is a very hard ring and it does not like to stretch as my EQ raises. It does open, but only at 90% or better EQ and this is taxing to my penis. I will be moderating and reducing the role of this ring in my PE sessions.

6. The latter half of a session, the cycling becomes a thing that I’m guessing at and feeling. I accept this, but it is harder to document than I care to have it be.

7. I drew the session out due to tube packing. This is the first time that has ever happened, so I wanted to play with and experiment.

Congrats on the pack, especially with low edema which of course means the pack was more “real”. :)

Check tomorrow for any soreness when getting hard to full girth. Your tunica seems to be softening up so be careful with that possibility of over-inflation injury now.

No soreness with any erections. Seems to be all systems normal. Morning wood and all.

This session is done 2 hours post orgasm. Edging this close to an orgasm is usually bad or a sure sign of a non-optimal work out to come but I have to put my minutes in.

1. Edge for around an hour. More like 50 minutes, in this case. The edging session was broken up a bit, between 20 and 30 minute sets.

2. While erect, I performed a few erect bends and some massaging. I took only around 5 minutes with this, erection strength kept flagging. Two orgasms within 12 hours does that sometimes.

3. Lube with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Remove heating pad, pumped with tube uncovered. Heating pad did not have enough time to meaningfully heat the tube this time. It was a moot attempt here.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just under 5HG (0 holes covered) and 7.5HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2 seconds, down was around 2 seconds.

5. For 60 seconds cycling between just under 5Hg (0 holes covered) and just over 16HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 2 seconds. Down times were 2 seconds.

6. For 120 seconds cycled between 15HG (3 holes covered) and 5HG (0 holes covered). Up times were up to 3-4 seconds. Down times were 2-3 seconds. Also alternating from 15-20HG at half second intervals.

7. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 5HG using 1.5 seconds for 25HG (1.5 seconds to reach then release at 25HG) and 3 seconds at 5Hg (0 holes covered. During the 5th minute I started milking the tube hard, away from the body when using higher vacuums. I observed much more of the tube becoming packed.

8. For 120 seconds cycling between full vacuum 1.5 seconds (to roughly 24-25Hg before release), 15HG 3-4 seconds, down time at roughly 2 seconds at 7.5HG. More emphasis was placed on the 15-17Hg and some full vacuum pulses were omitted.

Total time 8 minutes

Other notes

1. Lame feeling, not bad post hang flaccid with no edema to speak of comparatively.

2. Tube reached 3/4 packed when milking the tube away from body at 6 minute mark.

3. I stopped at 8 minutes, the cylinder againstu pubic bone was irritating.

4. Woefully inefficient. Better moderation of masturbation and edging needs to happen. I obviously overdid both of these and taxed my ability to have a strong session today.

This picture is self-explanatory. I pruned a couple of the gauge and cylinder hoses, the actual vinyl vacuum lines, to make the runs a tiny bit shorter by a few inches. The purpose of this is so that when I hold the tube and I grabbed it by the hosing that the gauge doesn’t fall out of my line of vision by sagging on an excessively long vinyl hose. It will make it twice as usable while actually pumping. And also so that the hoses will kink and tangle less when I put the apparatus away.

Sorry to hear you had a less than thrilling workout. Did you get any heat into your penis before pumping?

Like you said it was probably EQ related. Also it’s possible with your previous pack session it could have caused some slight over-inflation trauma and you might have got a little bit of tissue toughening. The next couple of training sessions should sort it out; either you keep packing the tube (same pump force) which means your tissues are softened now and all is good, or you might find the pack is worse now and that means you got some toughening occurring. It’s normal to get some ups and downs in softening/toughening now you’re at the point of making permanent changes in the flesh, until you get it dialed in really sweet.

I want to try every other day and see if I can get most of the way packed every other day with fewer pulses to higher levels of vacuum. Ideally I don’t want to go over 17 HG. I will check tomorrow if my EQ is up to it otherwise I will delay that session another day. I suspect I may have this dialed in reasonably well I just have to make sure to use more heat and be more careful with my erection quality prior to the workout time.

This particular style of pumping is more complex than any other style that I have tried. Outside factors have a larger impact then I originally would have ever guessed given the level forces that I’m working with in the actual sessions. The heat of the tube itself does not seem to be pivotal at all in this case. I will be reapplying heat to see if it matters but the tube does not seem to really provide much better expansion compared to any other session when using the same pressure protocols.

Contemplating all of this and then working on a plan of action actually takes a day or two. I defined my PE journey by not running off half-cocked to make an idea work. So careful consideration of my next move and how to better refine and tweak the routines that I’m doing is more important than actually trying and risking grievous errors.

All of this is much different than I originally expected. Anyone contemplating using this technique needs to understand that underline complexities will make themselves known and felt.

I did not really get my penis well heated for the routine in question however I do not believe that is the largest factor for the largely mediocre results that I experienced during that session.