PE4F High Pressure Pumping: thoughtfulgold

I’ve been hooked on juicy cockring / pump cushion by oxballs for a while now. It fits my 2.25 wide flange tube perfectly (2 is a no go). I had a juicy XL that I used for full package pumping but I ruined it while being a dumbass. I would just stuff a jagged vinyl hose between myself and the silicone gasket, use my mouth to get to pressure and yank it out. Not only did it fuck up my skin where I did it, but it also scuffed up the silicone, which turned into a scrape, then a cut, then a hole, then I got it up to 10hg and it popped / ripped in half. Since then I’ve learned to use smaller tube, burn the end to round / taper it, use a lot of lube, minimize the amount of in/out I’m doing (aka longer sets), and diamond grit sand the tops of my jars to get rid of any seams / sharp edges. I plan on plumbing vac lines into my STJ which will reduce the wear and tear on my juicy XL ring when I try it again. The normal sized one doesn’t fit onto the jar I use for STJ, but if I pump for 10 mins without the gasket, I can then stretch the normal one around my full package first, then get into the tube and the gasket fits, but it gives me horrible aligator bite because it’s too tight / tall. The juicy XL is wider diameter / lower profile and could comfortably go from 3-4 inch easily.

I’m at the point where I can comfortably pump at 8hg for 20 mins in my 2.25 because it feels really comfortable. My full package pumping isn’t nearly as impressive because after 5hg the glass starts pinching my taint. I’ve tried pumping through the pain but it just left horrible chafing that needed to be moisturized and exfoliated.

Hey,

great that you are fully recovered and going forward with your experiment.

Cool that you are interested in trying myofascial unlocking.
The vibrator might be a option, but I think the sensory feedback of the finger tip is important for this exercise.

If the vibrator works for you, why not use it ;)

hahaha, the name is really a bit too fancy.
I didn’t invent it, so I am not accountable for the name ;)
And you are right, it is a type of massage and good for a warm up or down.

As you mentioned, standard massages work well too.
But myofascial unlocking is different compared to firegoat rolls etc.

There are fine nuances that differ from your approach and lead to different results.

The main difference is that it is done at max EQ-level.
This is really important as it helps improving your stamina/recovery rate and recalling/cementing temp gains.
By massaging at your most convex point of your side chambers (with your thumb), you should be plumbed up and pliable afterwards allowing a safer, faster and greater expansion for following exercises.

Another detail is using overlapping circles while moving up the shaft.
Using overlapping circles moves blood upwards and lightly traps blood in the upper shaft.
Think of a one sided jelq.

Another difference compared to a massage is the option to increase intensity.
This can be done side bends (more pressure in the chambers) and squeezes on the glans.

I think it is a great exercise and superior to standard massages.

What is your recommendation after initial conditioning?
Which rhythm do you prefer for high pressure pumping (i.e. 1 on/1 off) ?

Really curious about your take on that.

ps: Awesome thread in the making :)

It’s my belief that it should exceed the performance of the finger tips because of it’s ability to replicate the same movement at precise locations. In pe_pe’s post above mine he mentions targeting the most convex point of your CC’s with concentric circles, and that is something I personally struggle to do effectively. If you can really focus on the convex points without issue, then there may not be sufficient reason to use the vibrator. When I try to focus on the convex points, the center of my circles always winds up being on either the dorsal or ventral sides of the chambers. This is why I see value in the use of a vibrator, because it can replicate the same motion more precisely than my fingertips.

Considering that RomeoPlus and pe_pe have proposed two different methods for myofascial unlocking I can definitely see where the vibrator can work towards the latter ones method.

As it happens, I am working on my routine right now and using RomeoPlus’ method to warm up then utilizing pe_pe’s method to work while fully erect (using fingers first then the vibe on other days to compare) prior to entering the tube seems like a winner.

Allow me to preface this entry with the fact that this is still an experiment for me. I am not fluent in the style of pumping and thusly many of the aspects of it I am learning by hand as they come. Mistakes will still happen.

Routine Notes

1. Start with myofascial unlocking massage techniques. I personally used pinching and massaging the left side of my penis like a lump of bread dough but gentler. This I did for 3 minutes. You will have to get a feel for this yourself. I was flaccid and grew partially hard from the stimulation, which made the left CC easier to target. **Coconut oil is used as lube here.

2. Lubricate with Vaseline. Enter tube flaccid.

3. Using 2” tube I warmed up 1 minute at 7.5HG (2 holes covered)

4. Using my cellphone I set a timer for 5 minutes then started the stopwatch. I used a pulse pattern of 10 seconds at 15-16Hg (most of 3 holes covered) and 20 seconds of idle pressure with no holes covered *and also 20 seconds of higher pressure 7.5hg (2 holes covered) for the second 20 seconds in a 60 second cycle. Exercise concludes at timer sounding.

5. Light massage warmdown. Apply Horseshoe cock ring and cock sock for departure into my day.

Other notes

1. I feel as though the duration and pressure are a touch High, which Romeo may have suggested already. I will scale back to 3 minutes and 12 HG with the same scaling pulses as best I can anyway. After a day’s rest.

2. I think that the temperature of the house being somewhat chilly, in the 71 degree range, may have caused some turtling. I think on days that the house is colder that a heating pad must be used. Even if it makes the application of the cylinder more cumbersome.

3. Euphoric sensation not present after session conclusion. Flaccid hang was normal or slightly subpar.

4. Milking the tube away with one hand is easily doable and does not affect pressure. This does mean that the usage of any tube with a reasonable opening is feasible.

5. Usage of a timer that sounds on conclusion is important as it is easy to lose track of time.

After a day’s rest I’ll be back at it.

To pe_pe; Thanks for clarifying that the myofascial unlocking is done when erect, I didn’t know that and have never really done erect massaging. If I understand you correctly, you use higher force (point loading?) massaging a hard erection with a small pressure point (fingertip)? That sounds like it would be effective at producing a lot of softening in that one small area of the tunica. Definitely worth some experiments.

In some ways the pinch massage I do would have a similar effect by producing high point loading but on both sides (both CCs) simultaneously and equally. I use maybe a couple of pounds of pinch crush force max, small area just fingertip/thumbtip, then as things feel more loosened I reduce that force and use a flatter pinch (less force + more area, so much less point loading). I do it flaccid but plumped up which just seems to work best for me. It gives a lot of feedback both from the fingers feeling how “tough” the flesh is and from the penis nerves which tell me how sore/tough things were and finally the feeling of being warm and softened.

Re my own personal training I don’t want to ssay too much because 1. I’m pumping around 7 inHg these days and not needing higher forces with my current routine (so it doesn’t apply here), and 2. this is thoughtfulgold’s experiment and he’s specifically trying PE4F’s techniques and I don’t want to corrupt his cool experiment. :)

To thoughtfulgold; Great to see it happening!

To my thinking there’s a couple of things you did wrong there (sorry to sound negative). If doing such a short pump routine you’re not getting much time for the tissues to warm up, soften up and start stretching out. Thats important before doing the gains pumping which needs to stretch you out bigger than normal. That seems confirmed by your after-pump symptom of not being stretched out or hanging bigger etc, a symptom of undertraining.
I would definitely increase the warmup time before doing the PE4F cyclic pumping. Either you could do enough minutes of heated jelqing etc (your expertise) or do some time in the tube with heat applied and light vacuum/kegeling etc until softened up and ready for the gains pumping.

The other thing is your cyclic time. I have no idea what PE4F used but your description just sounded way too slow and static to me. I would try a few seconds up, a few seconds deflate, almost like breathing. With kegeling on the inflates like you are “barring up hard” every cycle. That gives a lot more cycles which gives more loosening per minute. That should equate to more overall expansion (or less force needed for the same expansion result). And, once you are using higher forces it will be safer to be in a habit of faster cycles so you are not doing sustained periods at high force which is a cause of injury and toughening.

Please keep in mind that I was just saying above about not wanting to corrupt your experiment with my own ideas and techniques! If PE4F got good results with specific cycle timings and techniques etc then that might be a better place to start then my generalisations.

The original log I think mentioned his cycle once, in the original routines database. No one ever mentioned their cycling rates and that was my first time at creating one i stuck to so that it could be logged. Still room for improvement there. Just getting of the mind to make it a catalogable event. No one else really has.

As for warming up? The routine was done with limited privacy. I like to edge a strong 30-60 minutes sexting or some thing. That did not happen. This, I know would help but I appreciate the tip.

I can try faster cycling. i have before but it was totally unloggable. I may have to accept that and do it in a generalized way by feel instead.

Thanks for the thoughts.

Hey,

That comes unfortunately with unknown territory. Maybe other “silent” members can help you out.
Not many tried a routine like that.

Maybe IR Light is worth a shot too as your routine is pretty short.

Overtraining might be a option as a symptom too ;)
Pumping generally creates nice flaccid temp gains.

That is why dynamic pumping is such a great tool: reducing traumata while producing similar temp gains compared to constant pressure.
Hopefully thoughtfulgold will find a pattern that will work for him.
I think 5s could be a good starting point.
I am doing right now 5s erect squeezes in my routine and I am surprised that this short duration is capable of producing temp gains.

Looking forward to your next pump session :)

I can figure it out. It isn’t super complex, just variables I haven’t fully explored yet. Time, repetition and patience will decode this for me. I just ain’t got the raw minutes in yet.

I am pretty wary of any IR lamp right this minute. I don’t have the cash for a safer setup with a cage at the moment and…I think I’ll just refuse IR lamps till I do. Not like I didn’t just recover from some kind of Infrared Lamp Contact Burn…*chuckles*

Pumping can and sometimes will or will not. I will say that this high pressure stuff, every time I’ve played with it, has been great. This last time was mediocre so I definitely think it was based on the way I was operating it. Still honing the technique as of yet.

I originally was doing 1-3 seconds of pressure, then backing off as soon as I reached the target pressure. I did not do that this time due to the fact that it was hard to keep count of the cycles I was doing, for the purposes of logging. I may go back to that and offer a general guideline, as doing it by feel seems to be the way and it is hard to do it by feel and be 100% mindful of the exact duration of every single pulse. *sighs*

Tomorrow probably. I masturbated today and my free time window is closing too tightly to wait for the after ejaculation sensitivity to ebb and do a routine.

For this session I tried a different approach. I used the vibrator I mentioned earlier on for some pre-massage and also incorporated the heating pad in pre-warming the tube. This is after edging for at least 30 minutes.

Routine notes

1. Edge for 30+ minutes. Using coconut oil to achieve this.

2. Begin myofascial unlocking. I used my vibrator for circular patterns while mostly or fully erect. During this time begin warming the tube with heating pad.

3. With heating pad held by left hand it only contacts the left, top and bottom not right side of tube. Enter tube after lubrication with Vaseline.

4. Warm-up of 1 minute at 7.5HG, 1 second up, 1 second down. Covering 2 holes to achieve this.

5. Then 2 minutes of 15 HG, 1 second up, one second down.

6. Massage and edging warmdown.

7. Horseshoe Cock ring and cock sock worn, day started.

Other notes

1. Better PI. Afterwards flaccid was 6.5NBP and 7.25BP in length. Erect was solid 9.25”

2. Warmth and worked feeling right around the 2:30 Mark in the cycling.

3. A few errant cycles after, low pressure before removal of cylinder.

4. Not euphoric but certainly positive physical sensations post workout. Sticking with this for now.

**5. Erections at night are very frequent and very hard. They wake me and I love it.

Very interesting.

But how does it feels?

I’m thinking about to try it. ;D When i go to 15hg i can feel something stretching inside my penis, do you feel something like this?

I think something right below my glans in the shaft or so stretches during it but I’m not sure or worried much at this point.

Sounds like a good workout. :)

Can you please provide more info re; “2 minutes of 15 HG, 1 second up, one second down”?
Specifically, what HG was the “down” portion? I think that will be important information for people who want to replicate.

I’ve never done cycling at 1 second up/down in my dynamic pumping. A few seconds of each seems to work best for me, but it is quite variable, depending on the vacuum, HG how warmed up or tough my flesh is and if I have any soreness etc.

Getting that cyclic time dialed in will be very rewarding I think. You might be able to analyse some real-time symptoms (ie how it feels when cycling) and create a rule set to help people fine tune the HG and cyclic times.

The “down” is all holes uncovered, free flow. Which is like 5hg on the gauge but doesn’t feel like it.

I may dial it up some. Still playing with it. Physically it was fine feeling. I’ll note sensations if any notable ones persist.