PE4F High Pressure Pumping: thoughtfulgold

I was going to pic the way i used it but lost the erection. I will add a pic later today though and explanation.

To be honest I cannot answer that. Because the technique has so many opportunities for you to harm yourself and for you to experience no games it is more about your experience level than just conditioning. Because the problem is if you’ve never gained before then you won’t know how gaining feels to read those PIs the proper way. Additionally, if you don’t know how to read your PIs and you have gained before there’s a higher risk of injury. So, really I can’t say when any particular person could be ready because I can’t speak for anyone else’s experience level.

A broad stroke would be if you have pumped to 15 or 20 HG more than once and found that you did not experience extreme pain it may be variable to attempt at that time using an industrial pump with a gauge. Many people who assemble this style of pumping system do not incorporate a gauge which makes it 10 times more dangerous. I can’t say how anyone will assemble their system or how well they will utilize a gauge even if it is present.

I would say make sure you exhaust the games that you can experience from regular pumping before attempting extremely high pressure pumping.

Sounds like something you could get in the meat department. :)

In Round 19 you may have noticed me including pictures of a weird piece of kind of studded or spiked wood. Now, it’s time to talk about that.

First things first- It is used like this- Tenderizer in action: Round 20 PE4F massage device only with both hands and my right hand would simply be pressing my penis into the wood on the left side. Not holding the phone that took the picture.

Second- I have experimented with a bullet vibrator and my fingertips. Fingers don’t seem hard enough or localized enough. The Vibrator tips weren’t quite defined enough. I like the Tenderizer for this, as the penis rotates when pressed against the tenderiser about 45 degrees in either direction, giving the CC a good stretch deep and latteraly from where I selected to start pressing the shaft against it. I think, overall, it is more efficient and faster than the use of my fingers in Myofascial Unlocking.

That said, you can massage manually and still get good results but I had this laying around from my failed “Tiger Trap” Project and I did make it just the right length to apply to my own penis so it really is handy for the purpose.

This is an extended routine using longer length driven pump cycles. Edging and tube warmup are also extended to test a theory. Pumped length reaches a record in this entry also.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 65 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used[ Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with Tunica Tenderizer. This was around 11-15 minutes, every 30 seconds to a minute I would press and massage the left side of my erect penis against the white and spiny side of the tenderizer for 15 seconds. I did this probably 10-12 times and with 5 contact surfaces compared to my usual 2 or 3 and greater force and smaller surface area I feel there was good massage used.

3. Lube penis and entry of tube, as long as my forefinger in depth, with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 8HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds.

5. For 120 seconds cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were just under 1 second.

6. For 60 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second. (20 seconds of downtime deciding what pressure to use next)

7. For 420 seconds (7 minutes) seconds cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and up to 25HG (almost totally covering all holes.) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 12-14HG and creeps up, getting to 17HG by 10 seconds in, 5 seconds at 17HG and 5 seconds at 20-25HG Using feel for the decision.

8. In the 11th minute, after performing another cycle, rested for 30 seconds.

9. For 180 seconds starting from minute 12 cycling from 12-17HG for 5-10 seconds, 20HG for 3-5 seconds and 25-27HG for 5-9 seconds. 10 second rest uncovered for a 30 second cycle

Total time 15 minutes

Other notes

1. Because I edged longer and warmed the tube and penis longer the packing occurred at the 4 minute mark. Earlier than my usual 5 minute mark.

2. Around 2 minutes base felt newly tight or snug or pressured. Also, I could feel the heat from the heating pad all throughout my penis very much. The longer warmup of the tube was nearly enough to be uncomfortable at first but appears to have been beneficial for the session.

3. Euphoric feeling, great post hang. Pattern here has held true, yet again. Flaccid was 6.25” NBP and 7.375” BPF lengths and 6.41” Mid shaft flaccid and erect. 9.3” BPEL and 6.37” girth below glans/circumcision scar at close to 100% erection today. Edema is high in the mid and upper shaft today. Indicates maybe a few minutes off on the time may have been beneficial.

3b. During and post session glans inflation was record breaking. It packed the left side of the tube all the way up. Pictures shown here and tube pack length does reach 9” in the tube for the first time in my life under full vacuum. The picture I have under full vacuum doesn’t show it because I couldn’t hold it and the camera and lost just a tiny bit of my grip. Seen here: Mid session in tube: PE4F Round 21

4. Industrial Pump, while running for 10 minutes, did not set off the smoke detector this time. However, running it at 25HG for 5 to 10 seconds appears to really strain it and I may actually damage this device with long-term use this way.

5. I used a total of 11 minutes of the longer cycling today with a very hot tube. I feel this was very effective and the sweet spot for edging and heat lamp is a bit higher than 20 minutes but likely less than 65 minutes. Still dialing it in.

thoughtfulgold, the quality of your content posted on this forum including this thread is top notch. Thank you so much for sharing all your valuable knowledge and experience.
I have some questions regarding PE4F pumping as I am trying to calibrate my own routine to maximize profit and efficiency.
Initially I thought of just sending you a PM instead of posting it here but maybe this can be helpful for other people who are considering trying out this type of routine.

As someone with an abnormally strong and thick tunica I feel that regular hand stretches and even hanging exercises aren’t enough to give me any kind of soreness/tenderness what so ever.
I end my session unsatisfied and frustrated as my efforts has left me empty handed. I don’t get any negative PLs even after applying far greater stress on the penis than what most people here would call safe or sane.
Penis is slightly curved where the left side of the tunica is taking all the force applied.

How would you describe the proper kind of fatigue?
I started my own PE4F routine after giving up on the more commonly used PE techniques out there.
I have somewhat followed your routine, slowly working my way up to 25HG and so far I feel that I can handle the pressures quite well. The only negative is that I cannot avoid getting red spots.
I’m not sure if that avoidable when my skin tone is on the lighter side.

I do
Manual stretching and massaging
At least 60 minutes of edging.
Plenty of heat with IR and heat pad. (I managed to slap my glans on it once. ouch!)

Tube is lubed, perfectly fitted and packs withing few minutes.
After maybe 12 minutes excluding massage breaks to reduce lymph build up I believe I feel some sort of CC and glans fatigue. Momentary length gains might reach 1/3 inch at the end of session inside of the tube but I believe It’s the glans ballooning up.

Post hang is good.
CC does not seem to be engorged beyond it’s regular size however skin is slightly bloated giving the illusion of girth.
I feel like I could do this every day if I wasn’t limited by glans fatigue.
Still. there is no discomfort or soreness anywhere on the tunica as far as I can tell even though the final minutes of pumping are giving me a little extra momentary length under pressure.
Do you believe this is sufficient enough to give length gains and curve correction?
Thank you.

I thank you for the kind words, Jelq-O-Matic.

However, I seldom describe fatigue as it varies too much from person to person and striving for ‘fatigue’ often nets the end user very little, if any gains. Many people gain without ever feeling a sense of ‘fatigue’ and a user here striving for fatigue ended up with a significant injury pattern based on aggressive clamping while searching for ‘fatigue’ so I would be careful with the idea. Wanting7x6 went for ‘fatigue’ and never found it despite an extensive injury pattern.

I frankly am unsure how to tell you to handle red spots. You see how I’ve graduated my routine upwards and over what span of time. Would you say you’ve taken more or less time to reach the pressure patterns I am using? This is a critical question.

I believe it is sufficient. As it is the very method I am taking and I’m going to take it for at least another 55 days and take stock around the end of May before passing any judgement on this method for curve correction and work on a deformed left CC (which is my issue).

Do not ignore glans fatigue. You likely are going to hit a blister if you continue at the rate you are and I would vary levels of work and decrease it to see if your redspots disappear or if your PIs improve to a point further than the neutral you describe.

This routine mirrors Round 21 but has a warmer tube, hot enough to nearly burn the underside of my penis and had to let it cool before starting. And it has me taking a 1 minute massage break at minute 6-7 and 10-11 to get out of the tube and gently one hand jelq upwards to dissipate lymph buildup as well as reapply vaseline. Note: I use Nursey Jelly, as it is a bit thinner and nicer on skin but it is a petroleum jelly product.

Routine Notes

1. Edge for around 65 minutes, massaging occurs concurrently during edging. IR lamp used[ Coconut oil used.

2. While erect, perform some massaging for myofascial unlocking purposes with Tunica Tenderizer. This was around 11-15 minutes, every 30 seconds to a minute I would press and massage the left side of my erect penis against the white and spiny side of the tenderizer for 15 seconds. I did this probably 15 times for 15-20 seconds at a time, with 5 contact surfaces.

3. Lube penis and entry of tube, as long as my forefinger in depth, with vaseline. Enter tube flaccid. Used heating pad contact for entire session, removing to check tube pack status a few seconds every couple minutes.

4. For first 60 seconds, cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 8HG (2 holes covered). Up cycles were around 2-3 seconds, down was around 1-2 seconds.

5. For 120 seconds (2 minutes) cycling between just at 5HG (0 holes covered) and 17HG (3 holes covered) Up times were 3 seconds. Down times were just under 1 second.

6. For 60 seconds cycling between full vacuum and 15HG and 5HG using 1 second for full (25HG), 1-1.5 seconds for 17HG and just under 1 second for 5HG.
So cycle is 4 holes for 1 second, 3 holes for 1-1.5 seconds and 0 holes for just under 1 second. (20 seconds of downtime deciding what pressure to use next)

7. For 120 seconds (2 minutes) cycling between 12-14HG (2 and a partial 3rd hole covered) and up to 25HG (almost totally covering all holes.) The cycle is 30 seconds and starts with 12-14HG and creeps up, getting to 17HG by 10 seconds in, 5 seconds at 17HG and 5 seconds at 20-25HG Using feel for the decision.

8. In the 6th minute, after performing another cycle, 60 seconds out of tube, massaging with a milking motion gently and reapplying vaseline. This lasts till the 7th minute.

9. For 180 (3 minutes) seconds starting from minute 12 cycling from 12-17HG for 5-10 seconds, 20HG for 3-5 seconds and 25-27HG for 5 seconds. 10 second rest uncovered for a 30 second cycle.

10. In the 10th minute, did a rest and massage up to minute 11 much like in step 8.

11. For 240 seconds (4 minutes) starting from minute 12 cycling from 12-17HG for 5-10 seconds, 20HG for 3-5 seconds and 25-27HG for 5 seconds. 10 second rest uncovered for a 30 second cycle

12. At minute 15 removed heating pad from tube. Performed some checking and top measurement with a 20 second gradual up cycle to 30HG 1 once with a 40 second down time and a gradual 20 seconds up to 27HG once and concluding.

Total time 17 minutes.

Other notes

1. 4 minute definitive pack time. Hard, super packing occurs around minute 13 or so.

2. Tube was too hot to get into, session started delayed by around 2 minutes to reduce temperature of cylinder before entry and session start.

3. Euphoric feeling, great post hang. Pattern here has held true, yet again. Flaccid was 6.5” NBP and 7.5” BPF lengths. No length measurement or girth measurement erect, orgasm due to post session sensitivity. Edema medium to low. Indicates massage time did as planned and only the very uppermost part of the circumcision area insists on gathering an excess of lymph fluid.

4. Industrial Pump, while running for 14 minutes, set off the smoke detector again and I had to yank it off the wall. I haven’t changed the oil like I said, I need to later tonight after post completion.

5. I used a total of 11 minutes of the longer cycling today again. I believe the massage technique some use with this high pressure style is needed and mandatory to keep edema down, skin healthy and moist and to check on yourself as you apply more high pressures. I will set minutes 6, 10 and probably 13 as rest and massage windows. However, when I was going to set 13 up I was already hard packed in and did not want to disrupt that so I will have to experiment with that next time.

It’s great to see you training with more frequency now and getting those good post-training symptoms TG. Awesome! :)

And it’s really great that you have been able to do a couple more workouts ater the blood incident with no more blood in the tube, that had me a bit worried.

I still think you need to be careful with that max vacuum force! You are training with more minutes now, and more frequently, and you are spending a lot of time up around 25+ inHg vacuum, that’s some massive length pull force.

Since you seem to be getting new record lengths in the tube that’s a good sign that your tissues have softened and weakened slightly and it’s probably a good time to be backing off the max force a bit. Like spend more time in the 12-17 inHg range (and still keep your minutes up) while phasing out the 17-25 inHg pumping. In a month from now your tissues should be soft and conditioned enough that 25 Hg would not be needed at all, and could likely bring on injuries, and in a couple of months even 17 Hg might be more than you need. Please be safe there TG!

This is my third session incorporating 25HG. Out of all three of those sessions while I see good PIs after work out my PIs the next day prior to my next workout have been neutral. I have decided comparing the sessions that I likely need to back down on pressure. Because the 10-minute session and the two 15-minute sessions have not yielded strong flaccid PIs that last more than 12 hours unlike some of my other sessions that topped out with only a few seconds comparatively of 20HG or 25HG.

Additionally, working at 25HG I do feel significant blister risk. Which I cannot afford with a brand new hookup partner.

For later today I believe I’m going to top out around 20HG if that. I’ll do a 30 second cycle and work up to 17HG a little slower. While I like the length force I think that working towards consistent force while the tube is in that super packed position is probably going to be more productive overall.

The problem is using Max Force is always tempting. I even wrote about that in a piece that I wrote in this log a couple pages back Dialed in- How to calibrate PE4F Pumping Routines I talked about some of the better methods to dial in a routine you may use that I’ve run across.

Some of those notes are what I reference when I talk about flaccid PIs that last from day to day. I obviously break a primary rule looking for a secondary rule to come to fruition. Additional length in tube is not as important as PIs that are good from day-to-day, even in my own primitive notes. Plus, max force at 5 seconds taxes my machine hard and makes it set off my smoke detector. Never a problem prior. I’m dialing back.

Thanks for checking in Romeo.

Yay! I feel a bit less worried now. :)

Yeah that temptation to go full bore, or even just to use your “normal” amount of force, can be a problem.

Once you have done enough sessions at the high force the tissues are softened and no longer as strong, so you can use significantly less force BUT still get the same pumped size and same gains. It might seem weird at first because as humans we’re all hardwired to think “force X produces stretch X”, but after softening the tissues it becomes “force X-20% still produces stretch X” and then later it might be “force X-40% still produces stretch X”.

So don’t think that you’re reducing the stretch or the gains (even though that’s a natural thought to have), if anything it’s good to keep stretching to the same length every time but slowly ramping back the force over weeks. So you’re still getting all the same goodness, just using less force to get it. :)

I understand what you are emphasizing. I just have to run some of the factors myself. This way those who come after me can see the logic I’m using. And it gives me knowledge through experience as well as theory. I don’t want you to think I’m not listening to you, as that’s definitely not the case.

Sweet. :)

And sorry for nagging on about something you were already on top of.
It’s hard sometimes to use this form of written (and delayed) back-forth communication and have it all come across properly.

You keep doing what you’re doing. It’s better to ask then to leave it to mystery and chance.

Thank you for answering my questions!
I really hope you re right that fatigue does not mean you have to be sore or fatigued to get gains. Time will tell. I’m not giving up PE4F pumping before giving it a couple of months of testing.
I have not kept any track of when I started, so If I were to make a guess it would probably be around 2 weeks with a tube that is better tailored for “packing”
The glans itself does not blister or redens during the workout. Only the shaft skin is visually affected by higher pressures.
I can without doubt handle more pull force but I will stay under 26HG just to be safe. No pain or aching during or post workout. EQ is sky high. Erections so hard that I almost can’t dent it with my nail so I would say that the penis is healthy and happy.
Thanks again thoughtfulgold.

As long as I was able to offer something useful I’m happy.