Finding xeno: a penis tale

You mean on the timeline?

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Here’s another great link for IPR:
Wound healing - Wikipedia

It describes the biology of what happens as an open wound heals.

This graphic is useful in PE timing considerations.
Wound healing - Wikipedia

PE isn’t an open wound, but internal capillaries are broken. External bacteria and debris don’t get in though, so for the PE healing process, certain things happen much faster, or not at all.

Coagulation of internal broken capillaries happens faster.
Less neutrophils and macrophages, because there’s less to clean out.
Much less inflammation, but similar time frame, perhaps a week or two less of it.
Epithelialization not at all, or some negligibly diminished variant of it.
Angiogenesis much less vascular highway to lay, more like repair work, so much faster and less of it.
Fibroplasia and granulation, less of both, but similar time frame.
Contraction, way less of it. Same start but faster finish.
Maturation and remodeling, similar time frame.

Note that fibroplasia and granulation (patching up the damage and formation of new collagen) begin about 8 hours in, and continue to the 1 year mark. This is the main component of P-phase. Contraction starts at the 24 hour mark
And that maturation and remodeling starts at about the 1-2 day mark, and continues on to 2 years. This is the main component of R-phase.

So P phase is already happening all the time during I-phase work. And any time you take a break more than about 2 days, R-phase is happening.

Everyone who does PE does I-phase work.

P-phase starts automatically about 8 hours later. Using some kind of ADS in theory causes more fibroplasia. In other words more collagen material gets laid down to make repairs. But at fist it’s like filler. It’s not integrated into the structures yet, it’s more like raw material, matrix. That’s the P-phase component of IPR approach to PE, wearing that ADS. And you see the bulk of fibroplasia happens in about the 1.0-7 day range. So wearing that ADS is encouraging extra collagen for up to a week after the last workout.

R-phase begins about 48 hours after the wound occurs, maturation and remodeling. A lot of PE’ers rarely take a break longer than 2 days. During this time, the raw materials of the collagen matrix that are happening get aligned woven together and reintegrated or woven into the structures they are repairing. The inner corpa or corpora or whatever they’re called of our chambera are also made of collagen and this process probably happens there too (i.e. the spongy erectile tissue). Along with that repair and integration, the extra junk, the unused raw materials and other broken parts from the damage are all cleaned out and removed from the area. As the collagen matrix gets and aligned and rewoven, it gets stronger, and becomes a part of it. This all mostly happens in the first month or two. Then from about 2 months to 2 years, the imperfections are removed, think of a scar maturing.

The overall duration of P- and R-phases are closely related to the amount of circulation in the area of the wound. The penis gets incredible circulation so the whole process is a bit faster than the average case on wikipedia. By contrast, a wound to the toe with one of the lowest circulations in the body, could be a 5 year process instead of a 2 year process.

It’s unclear to me whether scarring actually occurs during PE. There’s no open wound, no epithelialization which makes me think it very well may not happen at all. If it does perhaps only as a result of taking zero off days with high intensity routines. Probably some kind of macro structural damage (wider collagen structures) would be necessary to scar the tissue. In other words, because PE damage levels are quite small relative to an open wound, I don’t think scarring happens unless you do PE to the point of tearing a ligament, or rupturing the tunica, or intentionally not allowing intense PE to heal for a very long time, as in certain hanging routines.

R-phase is the main trick of doing IPR style PE. With the normal PE style of 2 on 1 off, or 5 on 2 off, with no long breaks, R-phase is still happening, but only the beginning stages of it. It never gets very far into the remodeling of the tissue. You can see the bulk of rest and remodeling happens between about 2 weeks and 6 months. So the IPR approach is to intentionally allow the remodeling to run its course, or more of its course, on a regular basis. Let one wound cycle complete itself, in order to start on fresh tissue a month or two later. Think of it as a reset button, a secret weapon for long term PE gains.

The constant PE approach can be successful to the extent that enough R-phase, i.e. integration of collagen deposition into the target structures, is happening. Obviously some guys gain really well with this approach, so it is enough for some. And writing this out, I’m curious about the effects of regularly taking say a 3 day break, or a 5 or 7, or 14 day break. The 2 week break is particularly interesting, because that’s when I think inflammation has subsided completely. Chronic inflammation isn’t good, there’s some bad consequences of it. So for the guys who do have a lot of success with the constant PE approach, the occasional 2 week break is good precaution, which is why 1 or 2 quick decon breaks per year is pretty common advice. But more regular breaks of 3 days to 2 weeks is interesting to me because that is technically an IPR approach. The R-phase effect of that schedule would be significantly greater than in normal constant routines.

If the constant PE approach doesn’t work for you, or if gains have dried up, it’s possible that incorporating more R-phase could work, or create potential for more gains.

• Cock Coil use:
1. one CC over two Hair Tie Wraps (HTW); for whatever configurations of time you can manage. A little is much better than none; a lot isn’t much better than a little.

CC use, or some other ADS use, is a nice complement to both the I and R phases, probably contributing about 10% toward gains. For me it’s easy to do, for others maybe not. There’s no set amount of time to use a CC/ADS, as with all low stress PE methods, more time is better.

…So, on Day 14, we would begin our macro-P phase work, using, for this case of a length targeting gains campaign, our ADS for as much time per day as we can muster (at the start of the phase, tapering off usage a little each day until we reach zero usage 4 weeks later). There are two very important aspects of P-phase work. The first applies to all P-phase work: The P-phase work, whether it’s length supporting, as in ADS or girth supporting, as in cock ring, should be done at a relatively low level. The one thing we don’t want to do is have the P-phase work appear to our body as I phase work. That is an extremely counterproductive occurrence. So keep the ADS tension low and the cock ring not too tight. With respect to macro-P phase work, it’s very important that we taper the usage from high-P phase/low R phase at the beginning of the macro-P phase to low-P phase/high-R phase at the end of the macro-P phase. The idea is to have a smooth handoff to the macro-R phase.

Bearded Dragon did the work on that topic and posted this excellent summery:

A few questions come to mind having read that, if BD or anyone can answer:
1)Would you say wear an ADS right after I phase, or would it be better to wait 8 hours, and then wear it?
2)You mention you were interested in taking regular 3, 5-7, or 14 day breaks. But as you mention it is in relation to inflammation subsidence. Would the time of rest then be a function of the inflammation subsiding, and I phase intensity being the variable? So in that sense, would a fixed time frame of rest not be optimal?

Originally Posted by Walter5169

I remember reading you found out girth work required more frequency than length work, almost daily while in inflammation phase.

You’re right Walter, although really, it’s intensity that I think is important with girth work…frequency just gets substituted for intensity sometimes I think. So yes, I’ll do 3 or 4 days in a row of girth work then take 7-10 days off before doing another 3 or 4 day run. I’ll do 3 or 4 runs before taking a several month rest.

I never stopped doing morning sumo stretches (squat with left hand overhand gripping around midshaft with fully extended arm and right hand overhand gripping behind the glans…then stand up); I get a lig break with my sumo stretch almost every morning…but don’t think I’ve gained any length as a result…my exit point has reached the position where the shaft exists without any lig attributed upward deflection.

Another good example of how Xeno’s method changed over the years:

xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale

Also, I found this about Sumo Stretches which leaves me a little confused. Not sure if it’s a typo?

xenolith - Gaining at Higher Angles

Xenolith unceasingly promoted the use of Sumo Stretches, which is why I find the above post a little confusing. If it’s not a typo and if it is to be taken literally, it raises questions at least for me. Maybe he meant that he didn’t think lig-pops were necessary for length gain? That’s something I really wish could be clarified.

In fact, I would really love to see a thorough revision of Xenolith’s method, and if Xenolith ever returned to the forum I’d hope that he might provide one. All we can really do otherwise is extrapolate from his posts.

Not sure what typo you are referring to. That post was from 2014. He didnt attribute his length gains to SS then. But later he started doing them again maybe in 2016-17 and he said along with BB that it felt like his penis was just pouring out of his pelvis. And gained quite a bit from those. And then attributed those late gains to ss and bb. But he mentioned the pop wasnt necessary I think.

Maybe so, I didn’t read it that way. I just find it a bit odd that he’d recommend it if he doesn’t think it works.

I’ve tried them and I think it’s a pretty good stretch.

But I think Bucking Broncos are better.

It is a bit confusing he would say he gained but did not attribute it to SS…

Guys to you think rather than using an extender, coil and so on for the proliferation part that a really light pumping session a few days would work just to keep the tissues stretched out? As time between family and 12-14 hour shifts are making it impossible to use and extender.

I am trying to get a handle on Xenolith’s techniques and his many apparatuses he built in his 13 or 14 year stay on Thunders Place.

I wish he would come back and give us one final thread giving us a summary and the distilled essence of what worked best for him in building the mighty unit he produced.

If anyone can come to my aid and tell me where in his multiple posts he pictures or describes the TUNICA TENDERIZER that he employed in his later years of building his unit.

Thanks for any help in this request.

If anyone can come to my aid and tell me where in his multiple posts he pictures or describes the TUNICA TENDERIZER that he employed in his later years of building his unit.